The consecrated oil for King's Coronation

"The monarch is Defender of the Faith, ie the Church of England" Quite the opposite - in 1521, King Henry VIII was awarded the title ‘Defender of the Faith’ by the Pope for his defence of the Catholic Church against the threat of Martin Luther.

Smileless2012

Apparently oil is used to bless an adult or infant before the baptism service AskAlice but like you, I've never come across this in the C of E.

That’s what I’ve always understood, too.

Just read this. What a load of codswallop.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/royal-family-coronation-roles-confirmed-26539297.amp

In our c of e church consecrated oil is used in baptism, the oil is blessed by the bishop on maundy Thursday. It's also used for anointing the sick. Strictly it's supposed to be different oils for each but many parishes don't worry too much about that
Its not a high Anglican church btw

cc I said "culturally Christian" not practicing Christian.

cc

Callistemon21

Nothing to do with Divine Right of Kings

It is used in other religious ceremonies and it confirms the Monarch as Head of the Church of England.

You could start a petition to have the C of E disestablished as it already is in Wales and Scotland but until then it remains part of the coronation ceremony.

As far as I am aware, most people holding posts within the various Christian religions are actually chosen to take them up, they do not claim a post as an hereditary right as in this case? As a non-religious person it is irrelevent to me who is the head of the Church of England. It has no bearing on our day-to-day life.

It might not but the fact remains that the Church of England is the Established Church in England

That may not be relevant to many people but that is recognised by the law in England.

Sorry, perhaps those who are against this could start a protest movement? It is irrelevant to me.

Yes, I agree with you Skate and Saetana
The Christian religion is vilified by non believers who are politically on the left ( at least it appears that way) However very few , often including feminists, ever criticise the way other faiths treat women. Muslims demand a few school children must apologise for dropping the Quran on the floor causing very little damage. The police were called to a Hate” crime. So where are those here being nasty about consecrated oil being used at Coronation expressing outrage when it comes to Islam? Not to think about the teacher still in hiding with his family all because he showed a picture of Mohammed?
I am all for the freedom to follow your faith but we live in a liberal society which does not fit easily with some religious faiths.

So PaddyAnn et al, can we hear what you think about women who are often mistreated because their faith does not believe in female equality?

Callistemon21

Nothing to do with Divine Right of Kings

It is used in other religious ceremonies and it confirms the Monarch as Head of the Church of England.

You could start a petition to have the C of E disestablished as it already is in Wales and Scotland but until then it remains part of the coronation ceremony.

As far as I am aware, most people holding posts within the various Christian religions are actually chosen to take them up, they do not claim a post as an hereditary right as in this case? As a non-religious person it is irrelevent to me who is the head of the Church of England. It has no bearing on our day-to-day life.

cc, I was about to make that same point. I would say it's a long time since it has been a 'Christian' country in anything but name. Talk about being inclusive and welcoming, eh?

Saetana "This is a culturally Christian country, if you do not like that then by all means feel free to move elsewhere"

To quote the report from the 2021 census:
". ... less than half of the population (46.2%, 27.5 million people) described themselves as “Christian....”

Thank you so much for suggesting that I and the 53.8% of the population who do not self-describe as "Christian" are free to leave the country.
The coronation, in the view of many, relates to the crowning of the sovereign as Head of State, relatively powerless though that position may be. For most of us his position as head of the Church of England is simply not relevant.

Thank you Skate and Saetana.

The monarch is Defender of the Faith, ie the Church of England - so why on earth would they not be consecrated in the traditions of the Anglican church? Some really small minded comments on here - does the bloody oil really matter all that much to you? I am not a Christian but I find your comments about Waitrose oil etc to be offensive. This is a culturally Christian country, if you do not like that then by all means feel free to move elsewhere! I am so tired of other religions, including those who degrade and denigrate women, being lauded whilst Christianity is fair game for criticism.

Nothing to do with Divine Right of Kings

It is used in other religious ceremonies and it confirms the Monarch as Head of the Church of England.

You could start a petition to have the C of E disestablished as it already is in Wales and Scotland but until then it remains part of the coronation ceremony.

Cc
Though a non-believer I can absolutely understand using consecrated oil with religious significance in a church service, but personally I don't see the crowning of a monarch as a part of Christianity. Or do we believe in the "Divine Right" of kings?

This

Honestly! Why are some people so mean spirited about something which has deep meaning and significance to a lot of others? Does the consecration of the coronation oil affect them in any way whatsoever except give them the opportunity to sneer at others' religious beliefs? Where is the tolerance in today's supposedly enlightened society? I am not religious but don't consider it necessary to makea virtue of it. Can't we all just quietly show respect to all?

Farzqnnah
Luckygirl3

A reasonable question I guess - one that people who are on the bread line might feel has some relevance.

Indeed. I’m guessing that many posters aren’t bread liners?

AMEN

Luckygirl3

A reasonable question I guess - one that people who are on the bread line might feel has some relevance.

Indeed. I’m guessing that many posters aren’t bread liners?

Norah 15:50Norah

Davisuz

No as the Pope is Catholic.

I doubt The Pope is involved. But consecration without The Pope and Apostolic succession is quite a confusing thought, to me

Today 17:36Callistemon21

There is a difference between the Roman Catholic church and what is meant by the catholic church as in the Apostles' Creed.

Catholic means universal.

Very wise words

There is a difference between the Roman Catholic church and what is meant by the catholic church as in the Apostles' Creed.

Catholic means universal.

FannyCornforth

Absolutely Smileless
One of my best friend’s wife is a GP and he is a psychotherapist.
They are both devout Catholics.
He once said to me that science teaches us that there is so much that is unknown

Quite. There is much we don't understand.

I’m all for crowning a new Monarch but can’t it be a quick, streamlined, more humble event, something people can relate to? The monarch isn’t even the governing head of state

And thank goodness for that looking at some political heads of state in other countries.

Well quite.

Is this a religious ceremony that requires anointing? If so then it should be coupled with a spiritual baptismal-like-dunking to complete the process. More people would watch.

I have Extra Virgin Olive Oil I’d be happy to contribute plus some grated orange zest.

All that, being tongue-in-cheek… just how much opulence and added ritual do we need that will cost mega-millions?

I’m all for crowning a new Monarch but can’t it be a quick, streamlined, more humble event, something people can relate to? The monarch isn’t even the governing head of state.
Oy!
USA Gundy

A reasonable question I guess - one that people who are on the bread line might feel has some relevance.