Virtue Signalling

HPQ yes, you’re right.
We just went off on a tangent - including vice signalling and all things Daily Mail

Virtue signalling to me is someone saying 'Look at me! I am being kind!

Examples abound on FB, the my son has said he wants to give some of his toys to poor children, what is the best way for him to do it? well, maybe just take them to a charity shop or email the toy library........but then again you wouldn't get all the what a lovely child you have raised, hun comments.

Oh, and we have a local man who lives mainly on the streets (by choice), is known and looked after by all, but there is always someone who has to announce that they saw him today and bought him a sandwich..... yes we know.

Oh, and what about I have cooked too much food for Sunday lunch, where do the homeless hang out so I can take them a plate of dinner?

Now, that is virtue signalling, seeking out approval

Sarah75

TerriBull

My husband has been picking up the i to read in The club lounge after golf, he thinks it's a pretty good as newspapers go. If I go to Waitrose, certainly not every day, I've got a free nominated
paper on my Waitrose App,which is The Times, but at £2.50 I'm not sure I'd buy it, too expensive! AND YES I read The Mail on line from time to time as I suspect many of its fiercest critics do, as they always seem to now what's going on in it

I thought Waitrose had stopped free newspapers? I’d be interested in knowing more, TerriBull

Sarah they don't give them away at the checkout anymore. When I first downloaded the Waitrose App. they sent through half a dozen weekly special offers of which the consumer could have two. A little while ago, can't remember when exactly, I was also offered a free daily paper of choice, I still get the two discounts but with money off, but with a lesser discount, I'd rather have the paper and there isn't any requirement to spend £10 to get it. I could have it every day, but I get it a couple of times a week and always on Sundays. I can't pretend I spend that much in Waitrose, the bulk of my grocery shopping is done at Sainsburys, but I pick up a few things there in the hope that the free paper continues.

I buy a weekday copy of the Daily Mail regularly to satisfy my addiction to the puzzle pages. I then pass it on to my bestie for lining her cat litter trays. Does that redeem me?

Callistemon21

Same here but you can subscribe - free of charge!
As long as they know all about you

Ah, okay, I didn’t know that. Thank you

Doodledog disconcerting and discombobulating!
(Blimey, what a tongue twister)

They do have a majority female readership, unlike any other paper

Same here but you can subscribe - free of charge!
As long as they know all about you

FannyCornforth

Oh! And another thing! The DM is on the (what I believe to be) right side regarding women’s rights and safe spaces etc

This is true, and disconcerting 😂

They don’t have my email address, they just give me a slapped wrist when I try to read an article on online, and deny me access to it, beyond the tantalising first sentences

I don't subscribe to any that want my email address!

Yes Callistemon I’m always being reprimanded by The Guardian.
And The Telegraph has cancelled me altogether!

Oh! And another thing! The DM is on the (what I believe to be) right side regarding women’s rights and safe spaces etc

FannyCornforth

Re The Daily Mail.
It’s really not that big a deal for me.
It’s not exactly a hill I’m prepared to die on.

The main reasons we have the DM:

1. I find it mildly entertaining
And like Monica, there are regular articles I enjoy.
I also enjoy being outraged

2. Craig Brown. My favourite writer, he writes two columns a week (not sure what has recently happened to his book review though)

3. It’s a comfort / tradition thing,
a little reminder of my mom.
I read the DM as soon as I could read (and it’s never done me any harm! )

4. DH likes it. He has dyslexia, and the format and the length of articles suit him.

Fwiw I’m a member of the Labour Party and MrC is a floating voter.

We all make decisions based upon our circumstances and preferences.
I’m sure that many of you do things that I’d disapprove of and vice versa.
It doesn’t mean that any of us are bad or stupid people.

We buy it on Saturdays for the TV section - and I like Monty Don. The Mail has run some good campaigns with which many who despise it would probably agree (if they read it).

I also see links and articles posted on here by Gransnetters, which I would never have seen because I don't read the DM regularly, but it must be scoured daily by those who like to be outraged.😂

I also read articles from the Guardian (apparently too many because I'm always getting messages about how many I've read so far this year.

All this must mean I am very well balanced as I have a chip on each shoulder.

TerriBull

My husband has been picking up the i to read in The club lounge after golf, he thinks it's a pretty good as newspapers go. If I go to Waitrose, certainly not every day, I've got a free nominated
paper on my Waitrose App,which is The Times, but at £2.50 I'm not sure I'd buy it, too expensive! AND YES I read The Mail on line from time to time as I suspect many of its fiercest critics do, as they always seem to now what's going on in it

I thought Waitrose had stopped free newspapers? I’d be interested in knowing more, TerriBull

Re The Daily Mail.
It’s really not that big a deal for me.
It’s not exactly a hill I’m prepared to die on.

The main reasons we have the DM:

1. I find it mildly entertaining
And like Monica, there are regular articles I enjoy.
I also enjoy being outraged

2. Craig Brown. My favourite writer, he writes two columns a week (not sure what has recently happened to his book review though)

3. It’s a comfort / tradition thing,
a little reminder of my mom.
I read the DM as soon as I could read (and it’s never done me any harm! )

4. DH likes it. He has dyslexia, and the format and the length of articles suit him.

Fwiw I’m a member of the Labour Party and MrC is a floating voter.

We all make decisions based upon our circumstances and preferences.
I’m sure that many of you do things that I’d disapprove of and vice versa.
It doesn’t mean that any of us are bad or stupid people.

I recommend the "i" - the most balanced reporting and interesting articles from a wide range of political viewpoints.

I have gone off the Guardian, after a lifetime of reading it, because of its anti-feminist stance on trans issues. The way it has treated female journalists who believe in fact-based feminism is shameful, and this is reflected in its reporting as well as its editorial and columns.

I feel politically homeless these days, and that's not helped by the struggle to find a news source that I can rely on to any great extent. I am posting less on here, too.

The DM, however, is reliably awful. What I object to is not just the barefaced lies it tells, but the fact that they come from a place of small-minded unpleasantness and a culture of blame. Everything is the fault of one group or another, and it fosters division and 'othering'. I loathe it, and wouldn't read it if it came through the letterbox free of charge. My mum reads it (purportedly because she likes the TV pages and the crossword) and I hear its bigotry from her.

As far as I know The Guardian, Times, Daily Telegraph are still considered to be newspapers.

They have their own political bias, and most of their readers will be aware of that bias, but unlike The Daily Mail, they have not been found to be mainly unreliable .

What did Oscar Wilde say?
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

Of course they do. They buy it because it echos their views, not echo its views because they buy it.

What about readers of The Guardian, Times, Daily Telegraph.?

It is intellectually arrogant for GN members to consider themselves a cut above the rest because they do or do not read a specific paper.

One of the pleasures of reading the DM is watching how other people react. A bit like trout fishing. Holding a fly over the fishes head and try and flick it away before it jumps.

The worry is that some people actually believe what they read in The Daily Mail.

The Daily Mail has been criticised for its unreliability, its printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for instances of plagiarism and copyright infringement. In February 2017, editors on the English Wikipedia banned the use of the Daily Mail as a source. for “poor fact checking, sensationalism, flat-out fabrication”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

I cannot believe that anyone on GN could believe that my politics align with the DM.

Turn away from its politics, and I don't, I read them, it tells us a lot about a large group of our fellow citizens and a large tranche of our professional politicians. Outside its political pages its weekly sections on both medicine and personal finance are excellent.

Thanks to its medical pages I have been able to identify and understand the bowel condition that dogged my childhood and led to bullying and unhappiness.

The DM is like a political scratching post for those of us who find being profoundly irritated by the DM saves us from the deep deep ennui, caused by the Guardian.

Mollygo

Is there an assumption here that all DM readers believe everything they read there and follow its politics without question?

There may be Mollygo. I’m tempted to start an ‘I read the daily hate on line and it increases my loathing of its politics ‘ thread.

I confess, I look at it on line. I know, I’m contributing to its empire by doing this and possibly need a good talking to. I’m possibly addicted 😱. I never fail to be shocked by the level of bigotry and bias printed as though it’s a true reflection of what’s happening in our country. I’ve not been seduced into following its outrage. I also read the guardian, times, the I and occasionally the telegraph.

Is there an assumption here that all DM readers believe everything they read there and follow its politics without question?

But you cannot understand the politics behind the DM or understand the rational behind its politically motivated readers unless you read it.