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The SNP is in a ‘tremendous mess’ apparently.

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Urmstongran Mon 20-Mar-23 09:43:57

Since these two stepped down within weeks of one another the SNP seems to be imploding at a rate of knots.

What on Earth is going on? There is so much in-flighting.

Callistemon21 Wed 22-Mar-23 22:35:21

Thanks LadyHonoriaDedlock

Interesting and confirms what I thought about the growth of the party.
Although Alec Salmond certainly brought more awareness of the SNP to the rest of the country.

Callistemon21 Wed 22-Mar-23 22:30:54

MerylStreep

Callistemon21

I goodness, I post and lo and behold, along comes volver to tell me how wrong I am 😂😂😂
Again.

In fact, was asking multicolourswapshop a question, not you.

Callistemon
Surely you’re flattered that a poster is soooo interested in what you have to say 🤔

I'm immensely flattered MerylStreep 😂

Aveline Wed 22-Mar-23 20:32:06

Yes. It happens to all parties.

LadyHonoriaDedlock Wed 22-Mar-23 20:22:23

To get things in some kind of perspective, at the time Alec Salmond stood down from the leadership after the 2014 referendum, the SNP was still a wee party with just a few thousand members and a constitution that was geared to a small party – for example in determining the number of delegates could send to annual conference. The first time I went to conference at the Armadillo in Glasgow in autumn 2016 the whole centre was packed and not all delegates could get into the main auditorium for the leader's speech. Somebody showed me one of the small conference rooms in the complex that was where the whole conference took place a couple of years earlier. Even so, in 2006 there was still a sense that everybody knew everybody else and even somebody like me could rub shoulders with the movers and shakers.

Even if the membership has fallen off in the last few years, and Covid had a lot to do with that as well as some of the shine rubbing off, Nicola leaves the party much bigger and stronger than it was when she inherited it. Unfortunately it's also a party with many members who have grown used to power and the backstabbing and infighting has set in just as it does in the other major parties.

MerylStreep Wed 22-Mar-23 20:06:13

Callistemon21

I goodness, I post and lo and behold, along comes volver to tell me how wrong I am 😂😂😂
Again.

In fact, was asking multicolourswapshop a question, not you.

Callistemon
Surely you’re flattered that a poster is soooo interested in what you have to say 🤔

Callistemon21 Wed 22-Mar-23 19:57:01

Callistemon21

multicolourswapshop

That’s me joined more to come

How come you have only just joined?

I am curious - is this happening now that Ms Sturgeon has gone? I'd have thought the opposite would be happening.

multicolouredswapshop
I am just curious why you have just joined.

Do you think a new leader, a fresh attitude towards this, might be better at achieving independence?

volver3 Wed 22-Mar-23 19:56:17

We obviously come online at about the same time.

Its an online forum. Questions aren't secret. I can post anything within the rules.

And I did. 😉

Callistemon21 Wed 22-Mar-23 19:52:42

I goodness, I post and lo and behold, along comes volver to tell me how wrong I am 😂😂😂
Again.

In fact, was asking multicolourswapshop a question, not you.

volver3 Wed 22-Mar-23 19:45:14

Callistemon21

multicolourswapshop

That’s me joined more to come

How come you have only just joined?

I am curious - is this happening now that Ms Sturgeon has gone? I'd have thought the opposite would be happening.

Well how wrong can you be?

Maybe people weren't idolising Sturgeon after all, but just want independence.

Heavens to Betsy. 😲

Callistemon21 Wed 22-Mar-23 19:42:57

multicolourswapshop

That’s me joined more to come

How come you have only just joined?

I am curious - is this happening now that Ms Sturgeon has gone? I'd have thought the opposite would be happening.

Aveline Wed 22-Mar-23 19:24:38

What? More lies and obfuscation? You must be a glutton for punishment. Unfortunately we all suffer under this useless 'government'.

multicolourswapshop Wed 22-Mar-23 16:39:23

That’s me joined more to come

M0nica Wed 22-Mar-23 16:02:21

I think the Scottish scheme to put minimum prices on units of alcohol makes much more sense that the British Governments sugar tax, which led to manufacturers replacing sugar in their products with artificial sweeteners, that are probably no better for us than sugar.

Wheniwasyourage Wed 22-Mar-23 14:12:03

You can't buy alcohol in Scotland before 10am and there are no multi-buy cheap offers. This has been the case for some time, and does not amount to banning alcohol!

Callistemon21 Tue 21-Mar-23 23:12:18

You can't use supermarket store vouchers or special offers to buy alcohol in Wales.

paddyann54 Tue 21-Mar-23 22:50:03

Nota BAN on booze just trying to mitigate the damage from it...and its working !

paddyann54 Tue 21-Mar-23 22:48:42

copied from The Lancet.

Minimum unit pricing (MUP) for alcohol has been linked to a 13% drop in deaths from alcohol consumption, according to a study.

The research, published in The Lancet, suggests 156 deaths per year on average in Scotland may have been prevented due to the pricing policy, which was implemented in May 2018.

Over the two years and eight months since the policy was implemented, researchers found there was a "significant" 13.4% reduction in deaths wholly attributable to alcohol consumption compared to an estimate, using data from England, of the deaths that would have occurred had the legislation not been implemented.

There was a 4.1% reduction in hospitalisations for conditions wholly attributable to alcohol consumption, equivalent to avoiding 411 hospitalisations per year, on average.

Researchers also found that significant reductions in deaths wholly attributable to alcohol consumption were greatest for men and for those living in the 40% most socio-economically deprived areas of Scotland.

Callistemon21 Tue 21-Mar-23 22:23:53

Grayling1

Question - who is calling for the banning of alcohol in Scotland? Can someone tell me please?

It could be a proposed ban on advertising alcohol?

The rules are quite strict in the UK already.

volver3 Tue 21-Mar-23 22:12:48

Nobody is calling for the banning of alcohol in Scotland.

Callistemon21 Tue 21-Mar-23 21:52:13

Grayling1

Question - who is calling for the banning of alcohol in Scotland? Can someone tell me please?

What - even whisky?

You cannot be serious!

Grayling1 Tue 21-Mar-23 19:34:42

Question - who is calling for the banning of alcohol in Scotland? Can someone tell me please?

SueDonim Tue 21-Mar-23 19:21:27

I haven’t seen anything to indicate that Kate Forbes would impose her religious beliefs on the rest of Scotland. Has she said she would ban abortion and sex before marriage?

Oreo Tue 21-Mar-23 18:31:37

Except you aren’t heading off Maremia what you mean is that you’d like to.Hardly the same thing.

Maremia Tue 21-Mar-23 18:02:00

Talking about 'misinformation', does anyone know what time the Johnson show is on tomorrow?
Whoever gets the SNP Leadership gig, they can be replaced, if it doesn't work out. Nicola S is a hard act to follow, but if anyone thinks we should give up and stick with the clowns running Westminster these days, tune in tomorrow, and see why we are heading off.

LadyHonoriaDedlock Tue 21-Mar-23 17:56:58

SueDonim

LHD wrote For the record, as an SNP member I voted Humza first and Kate the god-botherer and Ash the transphobe not at all.

Why is Kate Forbes a ‘god-botherer’ while Humza Yousaf, a Muslim, not a god-botherer?

When I say "god-botherer" I don't mean a Christian, I mean somebody (most often a Christian within my experience) who would impose their religion on others.

Humza is indeed a practicing Muslim but he doesn't allow his religion to override his duty to those he represents. While he was absent on ministerial business from the final vote for the bill that brought equal marriage to Scotland, although he voted for it consistently in its early stages. He also voted for the GR reform bill. I haven't heard that he's called for the banning of alcohol throughout Scotland.