The SNP is in a ‘tremendous mess’ apparently.

GrannyGravy13

volver3

If I have thoughts about what happens in Wales on devolved matters I wouldn't voice them because its none of my business.

I don't try to tell the Northern Irish how to run their country and exactly where they have got it wrong.

Westminster is a UK-wide government, not an English one, so I give voice to my thoughts.

Sorry volver3 that doesn’t wash.

We are all entitled to have opinions on anything we choose.

As I said above, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Some of us just don't think its our place to tell other people how to run their countries.

Germanshepherdsmum

Awfully convenient for us not to be able to comment, eh volver?

I have no idea what's going on and its not good for Scotland. I'm sure you can tell us all about contempt of court rules GSM, with your legal background.

Germanshepherdsmum

Awfully convenient for us not to be able to comment, eh volver?

Google hasn’t got the memo then ?

volver3

If I have thoughts about what happens in Wales on devolved matters I wouldn't voice them because its none of my business.

I don't try to tell the Northern Irish how to run their country and exactly where they have got it wrong.

Westminster is a UK-wide government, not an English one, so I give voice to my thoughts.

Sorry volver3 that doesn’t wash.

We are all entitled to have opinions on anything we choose.

Awfully convenient for us not to be able to comment, eh volver?

Foxygloves

Absolutely GrannyGravy

Now this- which can only add to the sh*tstorm
The husband of former first minister Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested in connection with an investigation into Scottish National Party finances.
Peter Murrell, 58, was taken into police custody on Wednesday morning

So that’s why she resigned?

“The matter is active for the purposes of the Contempt of Court Act 1981 and the public are therefore advised to exercise caution if discussing it on social media. As the investigation is ongoing we are unable to comment further.”

You can all have a field day now. Listen for the knock at the door though; it'll be the police after you for contempt of court.

If I have thoughts about what happens in Wales on devolved matters I wouldn't voice them because its none of my business.

I don't try to tell the Northern Irish how to run their country and exactly where they have got it wrong.

Westminster is a UK-wide government, not an English one, so I give voice to my thoughts.

Absolutely GrannyGravy

Now this- which can only add to the sh*tstorm
The husband of former first minister Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested in connection with an investigation into Scottish National Party finances.
Peter Murrell, 58, was taken into police custody on Wednesday morning

So that’s why she resigned?

The party in Government of Scotland is the SNP in all devolved issues the proverbial buck stops with them

The same applies in Wales, NI (when they can be bothered to fulfil the duties they have been elected for) and Westminster.

That's allowed. That's encouraged

wheres Paddyanne when you need her
Very noticeable by her absence. Perhaps she doesn’t agree with your views.

Just as well we're not governed by Judge who made the decision, or the Prison Service which decided where to put Bryson then, eh?

It angers me a lot that the SNP/Scottish Government get blamed for things they don't do. A Lot. There is certainly an idea that if anything that goes badly in Scotland, it must be the SNP/Governments fault. (Even the things that go well get lied about and made into a bad thing, but that's a whole other thread.)

Those who don't think the SNP are doing an acceptable job, vote them out next time. Except, oh, of course... many of you won't have a vote because you live in a different country.

There seems to be a move towards favouring certain sections of the community which may not be unique to the SNP but has certainly brought them to prominence elsewhere.
Committing “Isla Bryson ” with a very obvious penis and two convictions for rape to a women’s prison was one. Sentencing guidelines somehow including a non-custodial sentence for the rape of a 13 year old, now being another.
Where is common sense in all this? How confident would you feel to be governed by people making such decisions?
If the SNP is not merely about independence for Scotland but about responsible government, it needs to do better than this.

The sentencing guidelines were put into place last year and were backed by SNP ministers.

Aveline

Going too far volver. Just getting nasty.

No, it’s just her example of nuance!😂😂

Going too far volver. Just getting nasty.

LiverLover

Haud yer wheesht hen.

On the east coast we don't say that.

More likely to say "Shut yer pus."

Is that your example of nuance Volver3?

The decision of the judge is difficult to understand.

Does that mean the whole (independent, non political) judiciary is at fault? Is a laughing stock?

Why would that be? Not anti -Scottish sentiment, surely?

volver3

What I find on here quite often, is a complete disregard for nuance. It is often suggested that, let's say, nobody under 25 can go to prison and anybody aged 16 who wants to change gender can make irreversible decisions.

I find it odd. Its like everything's black or white, there's no in between. Judgement. There is room for judgement.

Disregard for nuance -I soooo agree Volver3. Could you show me where you have used nuance?

Where has it been said that nobody under 25 can go to prison and anybody aged who wants to change gender can make irreversible decisions.
I’ve scanned through the thread and can’t find anyone who’s said either of those two statements except you at 21:43.

Haud yer wheesht hen.

Then our Judiciary is badly lacking as there was certainly no judgement used in this case. The Scottish legal system has become a laughing stock. But still the question has not been answered, a very common snp (and their acolytes ) trait.

Keep your eyes open for the anti-Scottish sentiment. Once you spot it, you'll be amazed how often it happens.

What I find on here quite often, is a complete disregard for nuance. It is often suggested that, let's say, nobody under 25 can go to prison and anybody aged 16 who wants to change gender can make irreversible decisions.

I find it odd. Its like everything's black or white, there's no in between. Judgement. There is room for judgement.

Ok, i will rephrase, why, when the Scottish Sentencing Council state that under 25s have no ability to make informed choices do the snp insist 16 year olds know what they are talking about when it comes to voting or changing their gender ?
P.S As a Scottish granny i am not aware of much anti Scottish sentiment on here but i am well aware the rudeness of many fanatics on here.