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GagaJo Thu 23-Mar-23 20:30:22

I miss her. I liked her posts and the way she stood up for fairness.

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 18:05:11

Oh yes!

GagaJo Sun 26-Mar-23 18:03:34

VioletSky

As for the idea that bullying doesn't happen on gransnet

I've seen too many examples and been messaged by too many about it as well as being bid goodbye by people who have left because of it.

Personally when I see assertions of bullying I would, rather than deny it:

Reflect on why others would say that

Wonder what I could personally do to ensure no one feels bullied

Reread my own comments to ensure my statements are fair or take time to think before posting a reply on controversial topics

Ensure that personal comments aren't used and I'm not bringing in another's personal situation or past troubles or career into an unrelated subject

Disagreements are of course, never bullying, neither is anger or passion

Word twisting

Personal comments

Hidden messages

Assertions someone thinks or has said something they haven't

Bringing disagreements or dislike across threads

Are all examples of bullying when they are ongoing and a person finds it difficult to escape in a situation

I'm incredibly difficult to bully as I've reached a stage in life that if I don't like or at least respect a person, I couldn't give even the tiniest little [insert rude word] what they think of me!

I don't even always point it out when I see it directed at me unless it's making the discussion impossible to engage in. But I do try to always say something when I see something with others. Doesn't matter who they are and I don't have to like or respect them to do so either. These are real people

Asking questions,demanding answers and acting outraged when there aren't any.

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 17:37:59

I know easybee it's very childish

eazybee Sun 26-Mar-23 17:05:07

The evidence is there for all to see, Violet Sky.

Doodledog Sun 26-Mar-23 17:04:02

That's great, VS, and if you find that doing those things when accused of bullying helps, keep on keeping on smile. I can see that having been banned before it is probably a good idea to keep an eye on your behaviours.

I do get the distinct impression that you are bringing disagreements and dislikes across threads here though - perhaps you might want to reflect on that?

DiamondLily Sun 26-Mar-23 16:59:21

Doodledog

Good to see you back, DL, and I hope real life things are all good now. I agree with your other points too - grudges and bullying are in the minds of the accusers, and Some People do see them every time someone disagrees with them.

I'm also glad to hear that MissA is ok. Can anyone confirm (and I mean this entirely non-confrontationally and separately from this thread) whether The Rules mean that we should or shouldn't refer to ex posters?

Well, yeah, these accusations of bullying are all a bit school time.

Disagreement and debate is not bullying.

I'm not sure what the rules are though regarding previous posters. .πŸ˜‰

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 16:28:54

As for the idea that bullying doesn't happen on gransnet

I've seen too many examples and been messaged by too many about it as well as being bid goodbye by people who have left because of it.

Personally when I see assertions of bullying I would, rather than deny it:

Reflect on why others would say that

Wonder what I could personally do to ensure no one feels bullied

Reread my own comments to ensure my statements are fair or take time to think before posting a reply on controversial topics

Ensure that personal comments aren't used and I'm not bringing in another's personal situation or past troubles or career into an unrelated subject

Disagreements are of course, never bullying, neither is anger or passion

Word twisting

Personal comments

Hidden messages

Assertions someone thinks or has said something they haven't

Bringing disagreements or dislike across threads

Are all examples of bullying when they are ongoing and a person finds it difficult to escape in a situation

I'm incredibly difficult to bully as I've reached a stage in life that if I don't like or at least respect a person, I couldn't give even the tiniest little [insert rude word] what they think of me!

I don't even always point it out when I see it directed at me unless it's making the discussion impossible to engage in. But I do try to always say something when I see something with others. Doesn't matter who they are and I don't have to like or respect them to do so either. These are real people

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 16:14:58

Being that gransnet have already removed an untrue statement from this thread, I would assume if the thread broke guidelines it wouldn't still be here

Doodledog Sun 26-Mar-23 16:07:35

Good to see you back, DL, and I hope real life things are all good now. I agree with your other points too - grudges and bullying are in the minds of the accusers, and Some People do see them every time someone disagrees with them.

I'm also glad to hear that MissA is ok. Can anyone confirm (and I mean this entirely non-confrontationally and separately from this thread) whether The Rules mean that we should or shouldn't refer to ex posters?

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 16:07:02

I always marvel at those exhibiting bully behaviours denying bullying happens while also throwing around the DARVO

It's only OK if they do it, the rest of us have OPINION DENIED stamped all over our comments

That's not how it works I'm afraid lol

MerylStreep Sun 26-Mar-23 16:05:59

I had a good laugh with Miss A the other day.
She was surprised and happy that she’s missed.
More surprised than happy πŸ˜‚

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 16:01:32

I like her no nonsense approach, she has put me in my place a few times 🀣

JaneJudge Sun 26-Mar-23 16:00:39

MerylStreep has been in touch with her. I just miss her

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 15:56:44

Do we know if MissA is OK?

JaneJudge Sun 26-Mar-23 15:50:36

I really miss MissAdventure sad

DiamondLily Sun 26-Mar-23 15:41:47

Doodledog

DiamondLily

I think if you read sites, even if you don't post that much, the posting style of those that do post more is fairly obvious.

I'm not sure why people change their names as their opinions are their own - but I wouldn't say anything anyway.

Not my circus. πŸ™‚

These threads asking about people are a bit odd though.πŸ€”

Hello, DL πŸ˜€

It's good to see you, and I hope you've been doing something interesting, or that it's just that I've missed your posts on here.
I have been wondering where you had gone when I was thinking about FN.

I thought that missing posters weren't supposed to be mentioned, actually. I remember a lot of coded talk about thin dogs and hurled handbags that drove me mad when I was fairly new, as it felt really exclusionary. I don't know what to think - on one hand it seems a shame when posters who are part of the community can't be mentioned, but on the other, a thread like this invites comments - what's the point of a thread that doesn't have comments, and an OP can't declare that their post is for positive remarks only. I assume that the high chance of things getting tetchy is why we aren't supposed to mention people (if, indeed, we aren't - it's another of those non-rules that make staying on the right side of the law on here so difficult).

I have no 'grudge' against anyone in any guise, FWIW, and get so fed up with any disagreement being called 'bullying' or similar. Maybe it's spending too much time in schools that make Some People revert to teacherly condescension? Who knows. It's annoying though, particularly when the terms are used to lay down the law and censor others' posts.

On threads not about trans rights trumping women's rights I found/find trisher's posts more reasonable, and as with others, I agree with some and not others - more 'agree' than 'disagree', probably. Like most people, however, I get irritated by posts that twist what I say, but if there is any doubt I try to rephrase what I've said in case my being unclear is the reason for a misunderstanding. If someone is constantly aggressive, though, and deliberately looks for a chance to say 'Gotcha!' in every post it is tiresome, and it would take a saint not to get tetchy.

What I do disagree with is disingenuous comments claiming to 'be kind' that are clearly trying to stir up trouble, and goady posts, which are followed by 'oh, this has turned into a 'bunfight 😳' when people react as they were intended to. trisher didn't do that, which is in her favour.

Anyway, I've been posting a lot less lately, and this sort of thing is why.

Hi, had a lot going on with health, family and the usual dramas of real life.

I didn't, for what it's worth, have any problem with Trisher, although I disagreed with her on one subject.

She gave her view, stood her ground, and didn't try to play the victim, so all good.

No one insulted or abused anyone, which is as it should be.

We can disagree, as adults, without accusations of bullying and "victim face" getting in the way.πŸ™„

Schools might have bullying - forum disagreements aren't bullying.

The "be kind" hashtag nonsense was just that. As has been proved in real life. The "be kind" mob do more abuse than anyone else...πŸ™„

But, I did recognise her posting style in her new name. No worries.πŸ™‚

Smileless2012 Sun 26-Mar-23 13:46:30

It is good to see you posting Doodledog and I hope you'll continue to do so, though I understand why you've pulled back flowers.

GagaJo Sun 26-Mar-23 13:36:32

FannyCornforth

I must admit the reason that I was surprised is that you are both often on the same threads and in broad agreement (Nb not a clique wink)

Genuinely oblivious FC. Honestly!

FannyCornforth Sun 26-Mar-23 13:26:33

The above was in repky to Jo just now

FannyCornforth Sun 26-Mar-23 13:25:46

I must admit the reason that I was surprised is that you are both often on the same threads and in broad agreement (Nb not a clique wink)

nanna8 Sun 26-Mar-23 13:25:11

Oh glorious trisher, who cares really? Not the only one to change names, whatever floats your boat I suppose.

GagaJo Sun 26-Mar-23 13:20:20

FannyCornforth

GagaJo both are enviable circumstances! smile

I'm not sure my lack of attention to detail (and disinterest) are my most admirable qualities. I'd also be useless in the event of a crime. I never notice faces or what others are doing.

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 12:45:23

Lol!

FannyCornforth Sun 26-Mar-23 12:40:47

GagaJo both are enviable circumstances! smile

VioletSky Sun 26-Mar-23 12:40:00

Gagajo I just try to make no assumptions unless I'm told, I have the capacity to be wrong smile