Insomnia - What works, what doesn't, for you ?

I’ve been a wretched sleeper all my life!
My GP put me on Amitriptyline 20 mg at night to help with sleep and I’ve taken it for some time but it really was ineffective… then about a month ago I mentioned to him whether there was something else I could try and he has put me on Gabapentin 300 mg at nighttime . I now sleep really well, and wake up at about 5 am and suck a Dr Bach Rescue Remedy Night pastille and drift back to sleep until 7.15 am! Don’t know I’m born! Just hope it lasts!
I have PMR and on Prednisone and MTX and a lot of other meds which I’m sure doesn’t help, but the Gabapentin has been a salvation! I really do sympathise with everyone who has a sleep problem. It’s a curse. Fortunately both my children sleep really well… although my parents and siblings were/are insomniacs too. 😴

This resonates with me. I’m a go to bed around midnight lay awake until around 3am then wake around 8.30. My pattern is horrendous but I cannot seem to break it 5 hrs is most I can get and it’s been like that for 6 years now. If I go to bed earlier it makes no difference so I just sit up watching TV or scrolling or reading as I’m never tired before midnight. I’m still active next day it never hinders my everyday life I’m not sedentary person anyway. It’s abit concerning as regards to my health as I know it can affect it. I’m 66 and way past the menopause I came off HRT 10years ago it was my decision.

I was like yourself , tried everything , here’s what actually works , look up Tom Coleman sleep expert life saver on Instagram gives advice free , cut out caffeine , I get up and go to bed at same time regardless of sleep , use sprays not sure if works but smells nice 😊 hope this helps

I wake up several times in the night. These days I have to get up to pee a couple of times. I’ve found a free podcast called ‘Nothing much happens’ which has worked wonders to help me drift off. It’s just staying asleep that is the issue now!

I can and do drop off in front of the TV then by the time I've gone upstairs, got undressed, cleaned teeth and got into a cold bed I'm awake again. There is no point me trying to sleep if I'm not tired. I do have a kindle and that can help

I know I’m not typical at all, but i find that e books (iPad set to low lighting level) really help me to wind down ready for sleep, and a chapter if i wake up often helps too.
Anything to stop me overthinking and maintain a sense of mindfulness and peace.
I also listen to meditation videos especially Yoga Nidra, which promotes a particular type of brain rest pattern.
I also recite some simple meditative staements that I have developed from listening to buddhist dharma talks.

But if I can’t sleep at all I get up and bring a warm drink back to bed.
Luckily being retired means I don’t have to worry about getting up early.

Esmay

I usually get to sleep within the hour but wake after an hour or two. On bad nights I can stay awake fir hours til I drop off, but always wake finally around 5. I cant nap during the day so had to resort to a low dose of pfenerghan which generally works but I still wake around 5 am.

I listen to podcasts or even programmes on iplayer. Don’t drink caffeine. Lie on my Shakti mat ( I’ve had back/neck pain recently and it’s sorted that). I can’t sleep without listening to something now. It started when I had pulsative tinnitus which I may or may not still have because I always have background noise.

Since the menopause I often find I spend 2-3 hours awake most night. My mind thinks too much. Audiobooks help me.

Esmay.. your situation sounds really grim..is there any way you would consider respite in a home for a while? I sincerely hope you aren't having to cope on your own.. it sounds like you really deserve to have a life of your own now.. I really respect what you have had to cope with.

Esmay
Your Father sounds very difficult. I feel so sorry for your predicament. Do you have help ? I sincerely hope you do.
My mum has had anxiety and depression all her life but was taken off antidepressants last time she had a heart attack. She has gone downhill since and has now started drinking every evening to relax.
I hope your father improves ASAP and you get some peace very soon. Take care.

Hi KatyJ,

When my father was a young , handsome and extremely fit man he was prone to endless mental upsets , moods and depressions .
We lived in dread of them .
It wasn't addressed by his GP though at one stage he was on Lagactil as well as huge doses of valium .Now he's on Prozac .
It takes the edge off his mental state .
He also has a sedative .
Yesterday ,he started one of his confusions
which is probably a urine infection .
I've called the GP .
It means more antibiotics .
By tomorrow they would have kicked in and he'll calm down .

I went to bed at three
He was screaming for me at five .
He's just completely soiled the bed and is being rude and uncooperative .

I think that he's always had nightmares and terrors and would get up , make himself some tea and smoke .
He also used to drink a lot too - if it's in a tea cup then it's medicinal .
So now he's bedbound , which was actually his fault - he's stuck unable to do anything.

He sleeps a lot during the day and has done over the last seven years now it's become more extreme .

Being nocturnal , not eating enough and more worrying not drinking enough and poor hygiene are common problems with elderly people .
I used to look after them and I know the score .
Out of all the people that I looked after there were only three who were really difficult one had tertiary syphilis and two were paranoid schizophrenics .
One of my friends is an expert in schizophrenia and thinks that my father has always has it in a mild form .
My father is far worse than they were .

As I write this he's complaining about me to empty space .

I am a terrible person .
And he'll complain about ne when we have people in .
If I had this every day it would become too much .
By tomorrow he should be better and calmer and possibly have no memory of the insults .

I'll try talking books, Ginny .
Thank you for the suggestion .

Good luck with your mother .

if it's pain that's keeping me awake I take painkillers and maybe have a cup of tea before settling down again.

If it's pain but I can't take any more painkillers, I have a glass (several shots but I'm not measuring) of Baileys and a cup of tea and read for a bit. <<< Worked well for a broken shoulder; haven't needed it for a broken wrist this time.

If it's early morning and light or nearly light, I get up and start my day. Maybe have a nap later.

Yes avoid reading e books or using a tablet for games etc. I also have to avoid coffee from about midday. I found that taking anti histamines helps ( found that out when I was having hay fever at night). Too much chocolate doesn’t help, either and certain fruits make me wee all night ( passion fruit,mango,nectarines)

I have tried all sorts of remedy to cure the curse of insomnia since I had my menopause in my mid forties. I would lie awake at night, fell asleep at 4am and had to get up at 7am for work. Now that I am retired, if I have a bad night I could have a good lie in.

The only thing that has help me is taking menopace tablets. Also fish oil with vitamin D.

Avoid looking at computer including GN or reading ebooks late at night. I love decaff coffee but I find coffee quite addictive.

Esmay. Does your dad sleep all morning if awake through the night. My mum 91 doesn’t sleep well until around 4am and then won’t wake up until 1pm. The trouble is she doesn’t eat or drink either as she lives alone, it can be 18 hours with no food or drink, which can’t be good for her.
I wake around 3am when DH gets up for the loo, while he’s there I spray my pillow with This works sleep spray. I’m usually back to sleep within about 20 mins.

And Amitriptyline, which is for nerve pain, of o take it late or forget it, I have a bad night like last night and can be awake till 3 or 4am

Pain and restless legs keep me awake, flight socks and an electric blanket have made a huge difference

No drinks, especially caffeine, after 8 p.m. Audio books, usually autobiographies/non-fiction, playing quietly in the background, a good mattress and pillow, darkness (no TV, for example), bedroom temperature no higher than 18C, scented oil in the bedroom (lavender works for me), comfortable, loose nightie/pyjamas. All these work for me, and I guess I'm averaging around 6 hours sleep per night now, although not continuously, with a nana nap of up to an hour during the afternoon.

Esmay just thought, would your father listen to talking books? That may be less strain on you.

I am grieving at the moment, and I'm hoping that when this eases I will revert to a more relaxed sleep pattern. I find it's no use lying trying to go back to sleep with thoughts whirling round in my head. I get up and get things done. However, I find acupuncture helps me for a day or two. I've also found Paul McKenna's sleep recording helps when I'm really bad and awake after just one hour.

I read that 3.00 a. m. is the grieving hour when anxiety kicks in. That is certainly the case with me.

I do sympathise with anyone who is in pain like Hetty58, or like Esmay caring for someone. That must be draining.

Welcome to vampire world !

This old bat needs to hang upside down in her bat cave during the day .

I used to sleep from 10.00 pm until 7.00 am .
I had energy and drive .

Bliss !

Now I think mainly because i
of my father , who is nocturnal I'm awake until 4.00 am .

At the moment , he's having his tea plus cheese and biscuits .
This will take him up to an hour to consume .
And he's in "I'm bored talk to me mood ."

Talking about his care with other carers -they all said that it's exactly what they have .

I think that my father feels safe during the day with my buzzing around and that at night he's seized with nightmares and night terrors and is too frightened to sleep.
His sedative used to knock him out for four hours now it seems to wear off within an hour .
I've tried a night light and he won't let me leave the TV on .
He wants my attention .

If I cant sleep I get up and have a hot shower. That usually relaxes me sufficiently until I drift off. I never lie there desperate to go to sleep. I get up and do jobs on the computer until Im falling asleep. I dont keep normal hours so it doesn't matter if I go back to bed at 11 am as I did one morning last week.

Pain (my back) wakes me up after 3 or (if I'm lucky) 4 hours - along with an elderly dog who often wants to go outside. I'll have a cup of tea, a snack - then read, knit, watch films (or check forums like this) until I feel tired again. I don't find that caffeine or foods make any difference for me. I might get a couple more hours later on.

After lunch or late afternoon, I might take a nap - and wake, usually, after an hour or so, then I'm fine until the early hours. The main thing is - that I don't worry about it - I'm sure I get enough sleep. When young, I rarely slept more than five hours.

By contrast, my friend frets endlessly about a lack of sleep. She's in bed by 10 pm, then wakes at four or five. Shouldn't that be enough? She constantly feels tired (I think it's a stress-related mental tiredness, not physical at all). She drinks bedtime tea, avoids sugar, caffeine - also frets about her diet. I just see anxiety as her major problem - not a lack of sleep, but maybe it's bad quality sleep?