Soup throwing again

Yes clearly it was a planned strategy, maybe decided upon at that moment.
But very poor to liaise with her before, then just leave her and the audience to the mercy of the hooligans

TRA violence towards women seems to be being praised on here, or at least not condemned.
Nothing new then.

volver3

It wasn't even soup, it was juice.

Still no blood talk.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-juice-thrower-protester-eli-rubashkyn-gets-death-threats-and-offers-of-legal-support/BC5XO2747RHT3G6L4BGZJDPWCU/

Rosie51 you can see the police presence on here. Considerable numbers and she leaves in a police car. It's a newspaper article but it links to the video.
Saying the police were not there. Saying the police didn't protect her is manifestly wrong. I think what probably happened is she saw an excellent opportunity to stir up public opinion and chose to exit through the crowd without the police knowing. Once they were able to reach her there was a huge police presence protecting her. But they can't respond to sudden actions.

Rosie51 Here's the New Zealand news view of the event. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWkOvKfB4Ek

When viewing Posie's own video you have to ask yourself if they are faced with a crowd of protesters why would someone choose to exit straight through the centre of a crowd? It isn't something anyone would normally do. You would head for the edge where there was more space, unless of course you wanted to portray yourself as being in danger. Anyone knows that passing through the centre of a crowd is difficult not because people are necessarily targeting anyone, but because creating space for someone to pass through (along with a security detail), means pushing people out of the way, which creates tension and causes people to push back.
The NZ reporter is able to move freely about so there was space. And you can see the police supporting her when they are able to find her.

I listened to Linda. Honestly expecting police officers to answer the phone on the morning of an important rally they will be policing is ridiculous and a bit self centred.

No Namsnanny I don't, there needs to be an inquiry into the police behaviour.
They must have had orders to from someone.

22.29....sorry, scull = skull

Thank you for the link Jumblygran What an awful experience for 'Linda'.
To think the police would stand by and do nothing.
Do you have any thoughts on why they would behave in this way?

Glorianny I would encourage to to listen to Linda it is harrowing and the site is independent of Speak for Women.

I think that if anyone has listened to the testimonies of the women who were there to listen or speak at the woman's event would not belittle the scariness of being attacked by an angry mob.
The woman, Linda who was working with police liason has shared on an independent site. She was liaising with Police for Kelly J for several weeks before the event. Her contact stopped answering her phone from the Saturday morning, there was no communication. Very odd. Any way her story is here

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9FqiNcV80

She was another who was assaulted and I expect there were quite a few others. She ended up hanging onto the end of a fence which the TRAs were trying to use a a weapon on the band rotunda.

Glorianny Rosie51 I ignored your video. Taken from Poppy's website and carefully cut and edited to make it seem much worse. It does explain why she chose to leave where she did. Best camera detail. There is a more accurate video showing her arrival and the police escorting her out earlier in this thread.
I don't like propaganda
Well I've trawled all through the thread from page 1 and I cannot find the link you refer to with regard to a more accurate video Please can you direct me to the appropriate post?

Incidentally the overhead views in the link I provided, which is most of the video, were shot by an independent photographer, not KJK. When you say ignored, do you mean you didn't watch it or you chose not to believe the evidence of your own eyes? I thought the shorter version would be more easily viewed.

You said there was no fighting, you don't count the 70 year old woman punched several times by a TRA thug, who besides getting a black swollen eye, also suffered a skull fracture? I'm sure she'd agree!

Glorianny have you read Jumbleygrans post Thurs 30/03/23?

It's been well documented that a 70y was hit and had a fractured scull, and the speaker had tomato juice thrown over them.
That is 2 assaults.

The NZ police have the evidence from other peoples phones.

You don't have to sully your fingers by clicking on PP's website.

volver3

Ah this has all got got very weird, hasn't it...?

Oh you’re soooo right V3. I totally agree with you.

What’s weird?

Trans activists got a free pass from some people.

volver3

Ah this has all got got very weird, hasn't it...?

It's certainly has.

It's like living in a parallel universe on GN sometimes.

volver3

Ah this has all got got very weird, hasn't it...?

Not at all.
When someone tells us something and then categorically changes that fact, it’s makes you wonder what the agenda is 🤔

volver3

Ah this has all got got very weird, hasn't it...?

No, I dont think so. Pretty standard.

Trans activists got a free pass, some people dont believe it most do.

I have seen a lot weirder things. You need to look at the internet more

Got got

Ah this has all got got very weird, hasn't it...?

I don't like propaganda.

That is the problem with an internet forum. We have no idea who posters are, hidden behind their usernames, and what their agenda might be.

If as Rosie51 claims Nazis cross dressing is evidence that they didn't persecute and kill LGBTQ people. How dare you! I claimed no such thing, that's your twisted interpretation, and I'm not at all sure it's not completely intentional
So why did you introduce this subject to the thread directly after my statement about how the Nazis persecuted trans-people? .

Rosie51

Glorianny for your information my father took part, as an east end child, in the Cable Street battle, and I have Jewish relatives. I wasn't meaning to express anything other than the inconsistency of the Nazi approach, but I agree it was a thoughtless comment and I regret making it.
You however haven't commented on the video I linked to that gives the lie to your blasé comment that There are police at the New Zealand rally they eventually take her away in a police car after escorting her to it You condone the baying mob who are so fired up with aggression and violent intent. KJK doesn't speak for me, I disagree with many of her views but she's not a Nazi, and I won't agree that violence as seen in the video is ever justified. That you do, and apparently Volver doesn't object to it either, sickens me. Just in case you claim to have missed it here's the link again. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKn5XeJkWY

Rosie51 I ignored your video. Taken from Poppy's website and carefully cut and edited to make it seem much worse. It does explain why she chose to leave where she did. Best camera detail. There is a more accurate video showing her arrival and the police escorting her out earlier in this thread.
I don't like propaganda.

Glorianny

Mollygo

Well done Glorianny. You managed to bring Germany and Cable street in whilst not condemning the violence against females.

I don't care if it is a man or a woman promoting hate speech, if the people they are attacking choose to prevent them speaking who am I to deny them that right?
It wasn't a riotous protest. No one threw missiles or started a fight. It was simply very noisy.
Quite why Poppy chose the route she did for her exit I don't know. Her arrival was through a fenced off area.

It wasn't a riotous protest. No one threw missiles or started a fight. It was simply very noisy. For goodness' sake when will you stop with the lies? It's all on the video, the rotunda was surrounded, there was no way out. Have you even looked at the video or are you just making it up?

If as Rosie51 claims Nazis cross dressing is evidence that they didn't persecute and kill LGBTQ people. How dare you! I claimed no such thing, that's your twisted interpretation, and I'm not at all sure it's not completely intentional.

Violence is never the answer.

Glorianny for your information my father took part, as an east end child, in the Cable Street battle, and I have Jewish relatives. I wasn't meaning to express anything other than the inconsistency of the Nazi approach, but I agree it was a thoughtless comment and I regret making it.
You however haven't commented on the video I linked to that gives the lie to your blasé comment that There are police at the New Zealand rally they eventually take her away in a police car after escorting her to it You condone the baying mob who are so fired up with aggression and violent intent. KJK doesn't speak for me, I disagree with many of her views but she's not a Nazi, and I won't agree that violence as seen in the video is ever justified. That you do, and apparently Volver doesn't object to it either, sickens me. Just in case you claim to have missed it here's the link again. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKn5XeJkWY

Callistemon21

Glorianny

And I'm sorry if you are preaching hate and division and denying the existence of a group of people you shouldn't be surprised if that group of people and their supporters choose to make sure you aren't permitted to spread hate speech.
It was the actions of communists, labour party members and left wing individuals who joined with Jews to silence the fascists in the East End of London that showed how unacceptable the Nazi philosophy was. The Battle of Cable Street silenced fascists using similar methods.

So dreadful then, that our Allies who helped us to defeat Hitler's Nazis then invaded half of Europe bringing their own regime of terror which continued for many years.

Please do not lecture me about the fight against Nazism.

Sorry Callistemon are you referring to the Soviet Union's post war activities?
If so I suggest you read about the deal Churchill did with Stalin.
www.nytimes.com/1973/08/05/archives/churchill-stalin-made-polish-deal.html#:~:text=4%20(AP)%E2%80%94Wartime%20papers,Far%20East%20and%20the%20Mediterranean.
The Soviet Union in 1945 was in a dreadful state, Churchill traded them Europe for the Far East and the Med.
There was a real possibility that both Greece and Italy would elect communist governments. The actions taken in Greece were particularly horrific.

But in Cable Street the Nazis were supported by the police and the establishment.