Soup throwing again

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No, you can all sing the praises of Ms Parker as much as you like. Because despite what you all say, free speech is not at risk just because people don't want her devisive, rabble rousing rhetoric in their countries.

I dare say there have been protestors like Parker before. The "it's my right to say anything I like and I'm just standing up for you, the poor, downtrodden majority." Those who see an opportunity for self aggrandizment and don't care who they hurt doing it.

Apparently she said NZ was almost as bad as Scotland, or something like that. Made me proud.

It seems to me you’re enjoying being rude, provocative and shutting others down volver

volver3

She doesn't speak for me.

I agree volver3. She doesn’t speak for you.

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It’s becoming impossible to discuss the aggressive attacks by trans activists. Free speech unless you speak for women

She doesn't speak for me.

Volver
I think you’ll find that Posey is speaking for women like me and 52%? in this country who were born with a vagina, a womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes, all the bits that make us WOMEN.

This is all very, very scary.

Let Women Speak!! Says Posey!

No, not those women, they don't agree with me.

Good point Namsnanny, I actually haven't seen that on the net.
I see that an assault charge has been laid against her but she has left the country.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMVGYCyZ1sk

If anyone is interested.
Above is a link to an independent talk show in which the women who didn't get to speak are speaking. This journalist does generally attempt to be impartial and he has no funding from the government. There is a full three hours in three parts I have only had time to listen to the first one.

An excellent article from The Spectator on what happened in New Zealand. It includes clips of/from the Auckland mob violence.

twitter.com/standingforxx/status/1640371623432798214?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

Just a tiny sample of what the Met appear to be happy to support.

twitter.com/wilder_harriet/status/1640630908209250305?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

The Met are making it very obvious who they support with regards to safeguarding women.

twitter.com/sarahstuartxx/status/1640613412110577665?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

This is a film taken by The Laughing Auditor who is a UK based part of PINAC (Photography Is Not A Crime).
He happened to come across this TRA protest in London and although not officially working decided to film the events. He started off as an interested spectator thinking it was a street party but events soon disabused him of that. The protest was being held because The Lesbian Project were holding their inaugural meeting. Yes, imagine, women daring to want to have a private meeting!
The film has been edited to remove swearing. It’s 50 minutes long but is well worth watching, if only because he so obviously knows his rights and refuses to be intimidated by either the TRAs or the Met officers.
To quote the Laughing Auditor - “A terrible look for the Met and for this group, I certainly went in there with the best intentions, but I’ve come away from it outraged and firmly against this type of group activity”.

youtu.be/qMpy8VDBJXQ

Oh just remembered, Jumblygran is it possible to still see the clip of Eli Rubashkyn say something like

'I dropped a litre of tomato juice over her, but I want her to be covered in blood because that's what she's advocating for, our genocide.'

This is at the rally, after PP left I think?

If the internet is going to redact posts we shall never have access to the truth.

I'm so grateful that you bothered to post Jumblygran
I'm so sorry this happened in your country. A beautiful place.

But I'm afraid I see Canada and NZ as the canary in the coal mine.
UK isnt far behind.

As you say free speech is under threat, and from the look of things some people don't either value it, or realize it's is being eroded

I find it all quite worrying.

Thanks for a local perspective Jumblygran.

Sorry read that as 70 year old woman a black eye.

I am in New Zealand.
The person who threw the soup has not been arrested, the person who gave the 70 year old woman has not been arrested either. Incidentally the 70 year old woman also has a fractured skull. The police were totally at fault in this situation and were watching from a distance under a tree despite seeing what was happening and being phoned many times. There were 80 to 100 people there to attend the Let Woman Speak rally and I believe about 2000 trans rights activists. I think after the week we had in NZ before Posy arrived many would have been put off attending the Let Woman Speak rally.
The media and some MP's especially from the Labour and Green Party whipped up a storm of hatred following the unrest in Australia.
For the record at the Melbourne meeting where the far right turned up with their Nazi salutes firstly for some reason the Police let them through the cordon and secondly the Jewish council has said they do not believe Posy has any connection with the Neo Nazis. Seriously why would she, the Neo Nazi's hate feminists.
Our biased media are by any standards abysmal and I wouldn't rely on our main media for truth in this situation. They receive money from the Government with strings attached.
It was distressing to see something like this playing out in my own country unfortunately free speech in this country has been eroding for a while.
For democracy to work we need to have free speech.
And an unbiased media.
Both of which seem to be in short supply here.

I do wonder if much of it is argument for argument's sake, for some reason I cannot fathom.
Boredom?

Mollygo I knew someone who could argue the toss until you agreed with her and then she'd about turn and argue the opposite 😁

Volver any chance of that link to Eliana Rubashkyn's arrest?I've googled and nothing comes up for me. Was it in Australia or NZ?

Molly, the thugs were TRAs. Predictably.

I really can't be arsed. It's like watching one of those drunks arguing with the bin in a bus station.

PP was attacked by TRAs at a feminist rally in NZ (ironically entitled Let Women Speak), when her security team were unable to attend (possibly threatened, but I can't be sure about that). The TRAs were rabid, and there is no doubt that she would have been seriously hurt if they had got to her. A woman in the crowd was knocked to the ground in the melee, and the TRAs got away with it. This follows women being attacked for going to see a film (in the UK) and the attackers getting away with it. I know where I can see Nazis, but I know better than to invoke Godwin's Law.

I really have no time for anyone who thinks that this is acceptable, whether they agree with her views or not. FWIW, I disagree with a lot of what she says, particularly about 'traditional' roles for women, but that is not the point.

What have we come to when women, on a discussion group for older women are defending women being attacked and sneering at those who find it beyond disturbing. If this was real life I wouldn't engage with this level of unpleasantness, and I'm not doing it on here. It's just not worth the candle.

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Always convenient to have ‘friends’ of whatever religion, persuasion, and in whatever country you want to comment on.
Actually, some posters would disagree with you if you suddenly agreed with them.
It’s fun to watch and guess how long it will take.

*So who were the thugs at that gathering?*(And for those who don’t understand thug or want to add their own definition of the word to suit their purpose, by thugs, I mean those perpetrating the violence.

Countdown.