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Would student services mention my grandson was expelled?

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Germanshepherdsmum Sun 09-Apr-23 15:27:31

The employer will want to know why he didn’t mention uni 1 and why he went from uni 1 to uni 2. If that’s not clear from the reference from uni 1 they will ask him. He’s got himself into a mess and needs to do his best to extricate himself without further deceit (he has already deceived by failing to mention uni 1) or lying. He needs to face up to his past and the fact that his actions may have had an irreversible effect on his career. There is great competition for jobs in fund management, it’s a very stressful area and substance abuse is rife. He is very likely to be exposed to drugs. If he has already shown such difficulty in resisting them and such destructive behaviour under their influence, despite warnings, I think his potential employer will want to steer clear. I’m sorry but I don’t think this is the right career for him and in all likelihood his potential employer will decide that he’s just too much of a risk. In your position I would be trying to encourage him to look at alternative careers. Unfortunately the door of the legal profession would be firmly closed.

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 15:24:58

Hithere

What your gc has done in college is not that unusual, trust me

Why are so invested on this? Your gc is an adult and the companies have the processes to get this covered.

I’ve been to university on four different courses over the past 30 years, and I don’t know of anyone who has been expelled.
One person had to repeat a year because of plagiarism.
And the first time around there was plenty of drug taking going on

Hithere Sun 09-Apr-23 15:15:01

What your gc has done in college is not that unusual, trust me

Why are so invested on this? Your gc is an adult and the companies have the processes to get this covered.

Jaxjacky Sun 09-Apr-23 15:12:49

As others have said, he’s a grown man, it’s up to him what he does, out of your control.

worriedgrandma Sun 09-Apr-23 15:09:50

He didn't mention uni 1 on his cv but not his employer wants to screen him and his peers before they formally employ him
The employer wants to know what he did between high school and now
He graduated out of uni 2 and got this job offer
He wants to know if student services will tell his employer at what happened or not
He needs to put down uni 1 and uni 2 since he spent 2 yrs at each

Blondiescot Sun 09-Apr-23 15:01:13

In any case, he's an adult now. Let him get on with it.

pandapatch Sun 09-Apr-23 14:35:53

Did he mention the first uni on his application form or is there a gap?

Norah Sun 09-Apr-23 14:28:58

I may be missing something, but as I read the 2 threads - it seems that you need to just stop worrying. What will be will be.

I'm sorry if I missed what you could do to change this...

Let it go, pray.

rafichagran Sun 09-Apr-23 14:21:20

I think we have a very worried and anxious Gran here, hence the start of two threads.
You are getting overly involved, you do not seem to like the advice you were given on the 1st thread. Do not encourage his deceit. Sorry but I think he sounds untrustworthy.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 09-Apr-23 14:12:45

This is all very muddled, spread across two threads and coming in dribs and drabs. I could never advise anyone to be economical with the truth and try to provide ‘convenient’ references to deceive. There will be people amongst his peers in the finance sector who know what happened. If not today, then tomorrow. It’s a very small world and if he doesn’t tell the truth he will spend his life in fear of it all coming out. Would you want him to live like that? When you say he is now sober, do you mean clean? Was he actually an addict?

worriedgrandma Sun 09-Apr-23 14:01:22

His employer doesn't suspect...all his peers are going through the same process
They haven't employed him yet...he applied for a job and got an offer

worriedgrandma Sun 09-Apr-23 14:00:06

To clarify

worriedgrandma Sun 09-Apr-23 13:59:50

It wasn't dealing...he was taking drugs and damaged the uni property
He had previous warnings before but ignored them all till he was thrown out
Now he is sober , finished top uni degree with a first and back on track

Doodledog Sun 09-Apr-23 11:32:04

I refer you to my replies on the other thread. Why are you asking again?

NanaDana Sun 09-Apr-23 10:29:21

You've already had several responses to this on a different thread, most of which rightly advise full disclosure, yet here you are again implying that your Grandson is hoping to continue the cover-up by selectively providing carefully sanitised information. You don't appear to have got the message, and sadly, neither does your Grandson.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 09-Apr-23 10:18:13

It is. The only drugs-related things that are likely to result in being sent down are dealing, or administering the date rape drug. Personally I think the university should have reported him to the police - it’s frightening to think we have people amongst us who have committed serious criminal offences but could pass dbs checks because their uni or employer chose not to report them in order to avoid publicity. It happens in law firms - if someone has their fingers in the till and is sent packing, no reference so no future in the law but hushed up.

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 10:06:00

I was thinking similar Shep.
It must have been something bad.
Actually ‘just’ taking drugs while at university is pretty much expected

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 09-Apr-23 09:58:43

You already have a thread about this. It sounds as if he has been deliberately deceitful in order to disguise his past. That is obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception - a criminal offence. A fund manager is in a position of trust with clients’ money but your grandson’s deliberate deceit, and desire to continue it, doesn’t inspire trust does it? The employer may well have reason to suspect what has happened (I have said on your other thread that the finance sector is a small world), hence the analysis. I suspect the only reason he doesn’t have a police record is because the university didn’t report him to avoid adverse publicity; I suspect from your mention of drugs on the other thread that he was dealing and that is a serious offence, hence he was sent down and not merely admonished. He really should come clean and hope his employer gives him a second chance, but in the sector he has chosen I wouldn’t be too hopeful; if he had chosen law he would be given his P45 immediately. You shouldn’t be helping him to continue with this deceit.

Aldom Sun 09-Apr-23 09:33:25

Hello. You posted this question yesterday morning and have 16 helpful replies. smile

Blondiescot Sun 09-Apr-23 09:24:28

Haven't you already asked this?

worriedgrandma Sun 09-Apr-23 09:14:51

He got expelled from uni 1 for nonacademic misconduct
He has no criminal record-- he could still pass enhanced and basic dbs checks with no problem
He then got into uni 2 via his old employer giving him a reference instead of his uni 1 tutor

now his job -- a fund manager -- wants to do gap analysis on his history

if he uses student services instead of uni 1s acafemuc tutor would this be mentioned?