Another banned ( killer) dog

4allweknow, yes, I cringe too - seeing small children with dogs, all on the floor and, apparently, unsupervised. It may be a tiny risk - but any risk is avoidable, so I keep them apart to be on the safe side.

A lovely woman at work had a long haired, black GSD, well trained, sweet and friendly. One day, when cooking in the kitchen, she accidentally trod on his tail. He instantly attacked her leg, ripping a huge chunk from her calf muscle. She couldn't return home from hospital until he'd been put down - as she knew she'd always be scared of him.

I know this topic has been chewed over many times.

I own a rescue dog, she is Staffie x PitBull x 11 other breeds but she looks very much like a Staffie and Pit. But you will never find a more loving and happy dog and she has help many people as well as other dogs overcome fear.

Yes, there are certain breeds that have a stronger drive than others. It's up to the owners to make sure the dog is trained.
I fault the ruthless breeders who are out for money making only as well as owners who get a dog but don't spend time or effort into training. Sadly anyone can buy a dog!
Banning a breed will not make much of a difference, cutting out the puppy mills and irresponsible breeding will!
At least in my opinion

I've had 2 rescue dogs from a dogs home. One was great with people but would try to attack all other animals except dogs. The other would try to attack small children and dogs but ok with adults. We muzzled them when out and covered his eyes with our hands if we passed another dog on the road.
I've bred 2 litters of spaniels, in the home. They were handled several times a day as soon as they could walk. Lots of contact with children who also handled them under my supervision. Their mum was very laid back and loving to everyone. This is how to avoid problem dogs - it starts when they are very young. Dogs bred by breeders in sheds are set up to fail as socialising starts v early. This is the root of the problem. I'm in contact with the new owners and all are v happy about how great they are with children, easy to train and very loving.
I'm not breeding anymore now.

On the face of it this sounds like an excellent idea. However, it would mean that I wouldn't have my beautiful boy. He is an uncommon breed and it is usual to have to travel 100s of miles to find one and waiting lists are common. He came from a private home where the owner has two females (10 and 5) who wanted a litter from the younger. She contacted a reputable breeder to arrange a compatible stud dog and the result was a litter of beautiful, healthy pups, two of which she kept. We keep in touch and have met up several times (she lives only 25 miles from me). We also had a whole litter reunion on their first birthday and are planning to continue with this. I am a member of a worldwide Facebook group for this breed and these arrangements seem to be the norm.

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On the face of it this sounds like an excellent idea. However, it would mean that I wouldn't have my beautiful boy. He is an uncommon breed and it is usual to have to travel 100s of miles to find one and waiting lists are common. He came from a private home where the owner has two females (10 and 5) who wanted a litter from the younger. She contacted a reputable breeder to arrange a compatible stud dog and the result was a litter of beautiful, healthy pups, two of which she kept. We keep in touch and have met up several times (she lives only 25 miles from me). We also had a whole litter reunion on their first birthday and are planning to continue with this. I am a member of a worldwide Facebook group for this breed and these arrangements seem to be the norm.

Oops! I tried to quote ticking bird from 07.57 yesterday.

Too many dogs, full stop. I know they can be good companions, but they all have teeth and claws…🙄

There are certainly many more out and about now, TiggyW. We used always to have a dog when I was growing up, sometimes two at once, but we never saw many others when we walked them. And we never felt the need to take them absolutely everywhere with us - they could stay at home occasionally! At the seaside last week we were stepping over really unhappy and nervous dogs in busy cafes, bars, on buses, tourist trams and tiny road trains, even on a fishing boat trip, for goodness sake. The only place they weren't was on the beach, where they weren't allowed.

We went to Madeira recently and even though we travelled all over the island we only saw three dogs all week. One being walked on a lead, two sheltering from the heat under a car. It seemed really odd! Especially as we'd read that there's a problem with strays on the island.

Today we were going to catch a train. On our way to the station there was a large grassy area we had to pass through. There were two young men with two large, fierce looking dogs on the green. The dogs were not on leads and began barking loudly as we passed. They didn't come near but it was very intimidating. They should have been on leads.

Has everyone seen the mobile phone footage in, I think a London borough, of a woman being attacked by 3 big bull breed dogs. They were on lead but pulled away, two viciously attacked a woman. The man responsible for the dogs was wearing a hoodie so face not clear. The woman was taken to hospital with serious injuries to her arm.
The dogs and handler left the scene before police and paramedics arrived. Hopefully, locals will recognise him and report him.
The common thread in these serious attacks are big bull breeds. They’re with handlers who have no idea about training dogs and less idea about responsibility. They’re the equivalent of a dangerous weapon. My dog training friends are increasingly exercising their own well behaved well trained dogs in safe enclosed fields. It’s madness. Decent responsible dog owners fearful - no wonder people who generally fear dogs want them on lead/muzzled.

Can anyone explain to me why XL Bully s are not on the banned list

I don’t expect anyone can BlueBelle. They should be. People will no doubt say they have a gentle xl but to be frank, I don’t care. They’ll be being cross bred to try and avoid any ban

Look at poodle crosses. I’m not elitism I’ve shared my life with two of them and fostered several. The labradoodle taught me how to train and manage high prey urge. The cocker spaniel x mid sized poodle taught me more than I ever thought I’d need to know about ‘sensitive’ dogs. They both achieved kennel club good citizen gold but it needed real commitment and good training classes. We are talking ordinary family pets from reputable breeders here, well brought up and socialised, gentle responsive dogs. Not ten stone of muscle back street bred from dogs whose temperament we knie nowt

There were two young men with two large, fierce looking dogs on the green. The dogs were not on leads and began barking loudly as we passed. They didn't come near but it was very intimidating. They should have been on leads.

This ^^ we never let our quite small dogs off lead or walk them near any other person or animal. Just too dangerous, in my opinion.

One had severe injuries - required operation. Hopefully, never again.

There’s a woman near us who has a very large, young husky.Much bigger than average. She lives in a tiny cottage with no garden. Every day the furthest that poor dog goes is across the road on a lead to a small patch of grass where she lets it wee and then walks it inside again. I should think it is a distance of 50 ft. No wonder these dogs get aggressive and destructive.

That’s awful, huskies are bred to run and run
Imo they’re another breed not suited to family life

Primrose53

There’s a woman near us who has a very large, young husky.Much bigger than average. She lives in a tiny cottage with no garden. Every day the furthest that poor dog goes is across the road on a lead to a small patch of grass where she lets it wee and then walks it inside again. I should think it is a distance of 50 ft. No wonder these dogs get aggressive and destructive.

Oh dear. Huskies are merely a tiny step from wild dogs. Like wolves one sees through a long scope, in the Alaskan wilderness.

She is, unfortunately, doing wrong by her dog, IMO.

It’s all down to people buying them because of Game of Thrones. They are lovely dogs but on the rare occasion that I see one off lead I avoid it like the plague. They are very much pack animals.

Lots of examples here of awful dog owners, there should be a licensing system.

Katie59 of course dog breeding and ownership is out of control, it needs licensing of breeders and owners. That will involve financial investment from central government. Local council’s can no longer meet their statutory duties so there’s no spare cash hanging round for them.
It’s also a central government, not local issue. My local park is dominated by ‘professional’ dog walkers from the town next door where their council restricts them to 6 dogs per handler. My council missed the opportunity to limit so they arrive with 7-8 dogs. I can no longer safely walk my dogs there

Many years ago my friends pet goat was killed by 2 Labradors.

My labradoodle had working lab in her background. Highest prey urge I’ve dealt with. Labs are big powerful dogs, they need a job or they entertain themselves

Iam64 as I previously mentioned there is a dog walking field next to us. Whilst fighting the planning application I became aware that there are absolutely no restrictions in our aware. I asked the district council to urgently bring in bylaws but just got the reply that "they will look into it".
Professional dog walking and dog fields are now Big Business. The guide price for the field was £30,000 but this person paid £100,000 to push out all the local farmers who wanted it

If you don't like, or are afraid of dogs as I am, it is usually possible to avoid them which is fine. However when big dogs are about and not on leads it is frightening. To me anyway.

Iam64

Katie59 of course dog breeding and ownership is out of control, it needs licensing of breeders and owners. That will involve financial investment from central government. Local council’s can no longer meet their statutory duties so there’s no spare cash hanging round for them.
It’s also a central government, not local issue. My local park is dominated by ‘professional’ dog walkers from the town next door where their council restricts them to 6 dogs per handler. My council missed the opportunity to limit so they arrive with 7-8 dogs. I can no longer safely walk my dogs there

It doesn’t need to cost councils anything charge £100 for a licence reviewed every 5 yrs, that’s peanuts compared to the cost of buying, insuring and feeding a dog.
If you want to keep a pig, sheep or cow you have to register and a vet will approve you, that should apply to horses as well.

Katie. I can only only apologise for the behaviour of fellow dog owners and say it angers me as much as you. As I’ve said before, my SIL has his own dog now but still hasn’t overcome his own fear of dogs. I don’t think licences would help, though because, as with everything else the police are too overstretched to police it. They did introduce laws about dog breeding recently I think but it doesn’t seem to have improved things.

£100 ever five years really wouldn’t cover the administrative costs. It’s serious enough to need legislation that’s central government