Drag Queens

Mollygo

Allsorts
What with children identifying as cats I do wonder what sort of people are running our schools and playing with children’s minds like this.
When I read some posts on here, I wonder what sort of people are not just running our schools, but working closely with children.
What sort of safeguarding do those schools have in place?

I know. It makes my head spin.

I’d have to say or do something if it was happening in a school where I was working

Cross posted with a few of you. Walking on eggshells takes ages

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I wonder whether those promoting the drag queen appearances in libraries etc have considered that they may be demonstrating to children the exact opposite of what they intended? The impression given is that men are dressing up as glamorous women so that they can ponce pose around onstage making fun of female attributes and making people laugh - not (as most transwomen are trying very hard to do) being ordinary people of the male sex who prefer to present themselves as ordinary people of the female sex.

I better go to work

I'm identifying as transparent for the rest of the day

My pronouns are "who" and "where"

Drag Queens are not trans

Drag Queens aren't being prioritised to read to children, they organise this themselves

Drag Queens aren't reading in schools as far as I am aware

Why is everyone ignoring other commenters who have shared articles or otherwise stated that this is not what people think in terms of how they dress and behave with children?

I am not making the thread about me, that's such a strange thing to say. I haven't even answered all the comments put to me

What is happening Violet, is that once again you seem determined to make this discussion all about you.
On one post you said you don’t do trans threads, yet here yiu are commenting on trans related issues
Accusing Doodledog of making ‘personal’ comments about you, that mean you don’t want to ‘chat’ with her is classic deflection. This is a thread in which people are commenting on Drag Queens being prioritised to read to children. It seems some are reading nursery rhymes with a drag twist. People respond to posts by saying -eg Allsorts, I agree/I disagree. That isn’t being personal, it’s developing the discussion.

Allsorts
What with children identifying as cats I do wonder what sort of people are running our schools and playing with children’s minds like this.
When I read some posts on here, I wonder what sort of people are not just running our schools, but working closely with children.
What sort of safeguarding do those schools have in place?

What is happening?

VS we don’t need a lecture on women’s rights either!

VS everything written is turned into this, as I stated in my first post LGBTQ of which you are a member, is a stick to beat us with. I don’t feel the same and a lecture on the most innocent of posts makes me question it. I can assure you it does the cause no good. I accept people as they are.
I don’t think a Drag Queen reading in full over the top attire, suitable for a Pantomime is right with small children in schools, it’s seedy at best. What with children identifying as cats I do wonder what sort of people are running our schools and playing with children’s minds like this.

BlueBelle

I think you just love to be opposite Violetsky
If someone said the sky was blue you d say ahh but it’s often pink, you just seem to love a disagreement
As you have often talked about your work with children I would have expected you to be a little less inspired by those mocking women by their over exaggerated acting

I didn’t know there was a ‘d’ for drag in the many initials we now use for the inclusion of everyone I m waiting for the ‘c’as in cats to be added

Yes, you’re probably right BlueBelle, especially if a thread is about sexual confusion and children. Drag queens are adult entertainers, for adults.
I can imagine my DGS asking
“What is it? or who’s that’ Grandma?”
It’s a man in a funny costume.
You can’t say it’s a man dressed as a woman, because women don’t dress like that.
Why do men feel the need to wear an exaggerated form of women’s clothing and parade in front of children? I wonder which toilets they use?
It’s a good warning though. Look children! If you ever see someone dressed like that, you can be sure it’s a man.

You make it clear you think very little of me doodledog and assign the worst intentions to me... whether you agree that's being personal or not... so I don't see the point in chatting to you really and I'm not sure what you get put of it either when it's clear I don't want to converse with you

No, they were not personal comments - they were self defence. I assert my own boundaries around being misrepresented. I would have thought you would approve of that.

I don’t want a hostile environment but I will not say nothing when I am accused of doing things I don’t

That's 2 personal comments now on just this thread doodledog

It is possible to discuss things without doing that and creating a hostile environment

Then I would engage and actually read things without my name highlighted in them somewhere

I don’t know much about the Safe Schools Alliance, tbh Beetlejuice. I do believe that the protestors against the drag queens are very dodgy, but as I say, that doesn’t make children being exposed to drag a good thing. It is deeply worrying that it is organisations such as this which are protecting children - that should be happening as a matter of course in schools.

VioletSky

I'm only intolerant of intolerance

Wyllow posted an article that explains the difference better than I could

But in general, you know I prefer not to chat to you because of the personal nature of your comments doodledog

I think people are fully aware that I do not make personal comments - I just say things that you don’t like, which is not the same thing at all .

‘Preferring not to chat to’ people who ask you awkward question is a good way of avoiding admitting that you don’t have the answers though.,

Doodle the Safe Schools Alliance has this to say about it

We believe that Drag Queen Story Hour is damaging as it promotes the transgression of boundaries in a way that is not in small children’s best interests, and prioritises validation of adult identities over children’s factual learning about the world. Bringing adult ideology into children’s spaces such as schools and library Story Hours is an abuse of power by the adults involved.

We prioritise the safeguarding of children: we therefore do not support the protests that have taken place outside Aida H Dee’s events, which will have been frightening both for the children accompanying the protesters and the children brought along to attend the Story Hour. We call on the responsible local councils and the Children’s Commissioner to intervene, prioritise child safeguarding and stop these events.

They subsequently wrote to the Children’s Commissioner about the Story Hour tour by Aida H Dee and, in that letter specifically drew attention to the phrase "love has no age", a phrase often used during these sessions. The phrase ‘love has no age’ is a phrase used to groom children and should be avoided by those who do not wish to be associated with such practices."

I'm only intolerant of intolerance

Wyllow posted an article that explains the difference better than I could

But in general, you know I prefer not to chat to you because of the personal nature of your comments doodledog

Turning Point is a scary organisation, but that doesn’t mean that the sort of thing that Beetlejuice mentions is acceptable.

VS, I have no idea what your age has to d with anything, and whereas you clearly see yourself as liberal, intentionally of not you come across as very intolerant of those who don’t agree with you. Self-praise is no recommendation, of course.

I see clear links between drag and blackface, which you are clearly choosing to ignore. Female impersonators such as the late Paul O’Grady as Lily Savage, or the late Barry Humphries as Dame Edna were affectionate and not remotely sexual. Bawdy at times, but that is not the same thing, and in any case their acts were not aimed at children. Other forms of drag, OTOH, are very different, and ‘The hips on the drag queen go swish swish swish’ is completely inappropriate for young children whether the hips belonged to a drag queen, a man or a woman. I cannot understand why you can’t see that, particularly if you are involved at any level with safeguarding.

Thanks for sharing that article

Sarah72

Long read about it here, from August last year, in The Guardian -

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/11/im-just-trying-to-make-the-world-a-little-brighter-how-the-culture-wars-hijacked-drag-queen-story-hour

Thank you, that was more the impression of what they might do I got.

I cant really say I was impressed by the violence and hatred of some of the opposition.

I'm a bit younger I guess being 48, but most of my circles, friendship and work are very very liberal and there is a lot of intersectional feminism around. The group I belong too for sharing stories of overcoming adversity and prejudice as women has nearly 3 million members

This is just what I'm used too in general and in my circles I'm pretty far from loud about things

fancythat

What you sometimes write, VS, is very sad.
You play with fire frequently. Your choice of course. You may even be thinking, "where is the harm". But it is all serious stuff.
I will pray for you.

I still have no idea what you mean, sorry

What you sometimes write, VS, is very sad.
You play with fire frequently. Your choice of course. You may even be thinking, "where is the harm". But it is all serious stuff.
I will pray for you.