Drag Queens

I've had a look to see what kind of books are being read during the drag queen story hours and have found that these seem to be popular.

"The Hips On the Drag Queen Go Swish Swish Swish". "This book is a quirky twist on a classic nursery rhyme."

"When Aidan Became a Brother" When Aidan was born, everyone thought that he was a girl but, once he came out as a trans boy, and his parents fixed the parts of his life that didn't fit anymore he settled happily into being himself".

"If You're A DragQueen And You Know It" "A playful celebration of being your brightest and boldest self. Sing-a-long with the actions of winking, shaking your bum and laughing real big."

I would have a real problem with my child being involved with this and can see why Chad and others do too.

BlueBelle

I think you just love to be opposite Violetsky
If someone said the sky was blue you d say ahh but it’s often pink, you just seem to love a disagreement
As you have often talked about your work with children I would have expected you to be a little less inspired by those mocking women by their over exaggerated acting

I didn’t know there was a ‘d’ for drag in the many initials we now use for the inclusion of everyone I m waiting for the ‘c’as in cats to be added

I agree with lots of people on lots of topics here

I am very pro LGBTQ and an intersectional feminist. My views do not change depending on which way a thread is going so I'm not sure how you have come to that conclusion. I just express my own views, I'm not tagging people and being personal

Long read about it here, from August last year, in The Guardian -

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/11/im-just-trying-to-make-the-world-a-little-brighter-how-the-culture-wars-hijacked-drag-queen-story-hour

I've just seen that there's been violent clashes outside a London pub today. A drag queen storytelling had been booked but violence broke out between transgender activists and Turning Point UK. Several arrested.

The spirit of drag is predicated on the transgressive sexual element and the ideology of queer theory, which cannot be erased by switching the context and softening the language. The philosophical and political project of queer theory has always been to dethrone traditional heterosexual culture and elevate what Rubin called the “sexual caste” at the bottom of the hierarchy: the transsexual, the transvestite, the fetishist, the sadomasochist, the prostitute, the porn star, and the paedophile. Drag Queen Story Hour can attempt to sanitize the routines and run criminal background checks on its performers, but the subculture of queer theory will always attract men who want to follow the ideology to its conclusions.

(From the Magazine / The Social Order, Education 2022, an American publication)

I think you just love to be opposite Violetsky
If someone said the sky was blue you d say ahh but it’s often pink, you just seem to love a disagreement
As you have often talked about your work with children I would have expected you to be a little less inspired by those mocking women by their over exaggerated acting

I didn’t know there was a ‘d’ for drag in the many initials we now use for the inclusion of everyone I m waiting for the ‘c’as in cats to be added

Can we have a source report please? I'm finding it difficult to think about it without that information because it could mean in practice so many things

I think children are going to grow up confused, they seem to be surrounded by ambiguity right now, men posing as women, some children posing as cats, dinosaurs, moons. Not all children go along with it, why would they anyway it's not as if they're a homogeneous mass.

Beetlejuice

I must have misunderstood your post My childhood was Punch hitting Judy with a big stick but you know as a personal anecdote violetsky.

Chad Greene, as explained earlier, is a transgender activitist and author of several books that details his personal journey with gender dysphoria. He's done a huge amount of work in raising awareness of being transgender and the difficulties of daily minutiae of just living his life. He's also empathetic towards those in society who are fearful and wary of transgender people and seeks to allay their fears and misgivings in a very open and understanding manner. I have huge respect for someone who hasn't had an easy life, but has come to a point in his life where he can see things from other people's perspectives.

Can you explain the relevance to this thread?

I don't do trans threads

I never said reading sexualised children. I believe you misunderstood me on purpose VioletSky. It is having drag queens delivering the stories that I think is inappropriate and could be frightening.

The last thing we want to do is put children off reading by someone in thick make up and flamboyant clothes, possibly with a male voice.

Children need to be protected.

I must have misunderstood your post My childhood was Punch hitting Judy with a big stick but you know as a personal anecdote violetsky.

Chad Greene, as explained earlier, is a transgender activitist and author of several books that details his personal journey with gender dysphoria. He's done a huge amount of work in raising awareness of being transgender and the difficulties of daily minutiae of just living his life. He's also empathetic towards those in society who are fearful and wary of transgender people and seeks to allay their fears and misgivings in a very open and understanding manner. I have huge respect for someone who hasn't had an easy life, but has come to a point in his life where he can see things from other people's perspectives.

Mr Tumble does drag fyi

I like the idea of children growing up around as many different kinds of people as possible, hopefully, they will not be prejudiced when older.

How does drag differ from blackface, VS?

Children don't care, they will be read to by Mr Tumble or a big purple dinosaur quite happily

Would love to see the children’s faces in my nursery if a drag queen came in.

Yes there are women who do drag

toscalily

A drag queen is a grotesque exaggeration of a woman, something that I find offensive.

I agree. It’s mocking women and exploiting them. I’ve never been comfortable with it, even going back to the relatively innocent days of Dick Emery.

The same doesn’t happen with women dressing up in exaggerated versions of men, does it?

I have no problems with drag queens, but why would they be pacifically be asked to read to young children.
I don't think it is nessasary.

Years ago I worked in pubs and came into contact with drag queens, they were fine and entertaining in the right setting, I do not think specifically getting them to read to children is.

Beetlejuice

Excuse me but it was you who introduced your childhood into a discussion about drag queens, not me! I simply pointed out that it didn't have anything to do with the subject and could we please keep on topic. I still ask that you keep to the topic please because it's a very important and interesting subject. Again I'll ask what is your opinion of Chad Greene's statement violetsky?

You said "I'm very sorry that your childhood was an unhappy one"

I did not mention that on this thread at all.

I simply mentioned punch and Judy as something that I saw in childhood

Also I have no idea who that is to comment?

A small child cannot make an informed choice where they go, they are just taken. There is a possibility that they would not be able to articulate any uneasiness or confusion.

Or anyone else have an opinion on Chad's statement? Do you think what he says is fair, considering the angle that he's speaking from?

So, some bloke can be authentically happy reading to small children who cannot understand the wider significance, may be quite unsettled even frightened by this person but that makes it alright because "he" is happy?

Excuse me but it was you who introduced your childhood into a discussion about drag queens, not me! I simply pointed out that it didn't have anything to do with the subject and could we please keep on topic. I still ask that you keep to the topic please because it's a very important and interesting subject. Again I'll ask what is your opinion of Chad Greene's statement violetsky?

Whether children go to see a drag queen read a children's book is up to the parents.

The evidence I've seen contained no boobs or provocative clothing as all and it was an entirely normal children's book

I just let people live the life that makes them authentically happy as long as no safeguarding or laws are broken