Drag Queens

Drag challenges the patriarchy the same way the first woman to put on a pair of trousers did, no I don't agree with this at all because that's all she did.

She didn't turn herself into a parody of men, grossly exaggerating maleness she simply put on a pair trousers in a 'look I can wear these too' statement. The majority of drag queens don't just wear clothes and makeup the way women do, they dress and behave in a way the majority of women wouldn't do.

Drag Queens do nothing to reinforce a positive image of women indeed TerriBull in fact they do the polar opposite.

FannyCornforth

Oh VS, you do love to make a fuss

I'm fine

fancythat

Blondiescot

fancythat

God

Whose god? Your god? What about those who have other gods - or those like me, who have none?

When I say God it is only ever the One true God.
The rest are gods. Entirely different.

I think most people, even though the country is moving away from God, do know when people say God, they mean the God of Heaven and earth.
But I will continue to explain if I need to.

God is the God of All. Regardless whether people sadly, may not know Him. Or know of Him. Yet.

Why do you set yourself up as an authority on the one and only
One True God? Why do you use the adverb 'sadly' in referring to the fact other people may not know him? That has nothing to do with this post. What does God have to do with Drag Queen's reading stories to children in a library?

Drag Queens challenging the patriarchy is debatable, but foremost they parody women, I think you will find that a lot of women don't appreciate the exaggerated and very one dimensional female persona they project. it's often not a sympathetic image. Either a rather spiteful harridan, younger versions often projectjng a fatuous quasi Barbi Doll exterior. In any case I don't know how a disparaging image of women challenges any patriarchal hierarchy , to have such a structure in place already suggests that adherents regard women as unequal and Drag Queens do nothing to reinforce a positive image of women.

Oh VS, you do love to make a fuss

Doodledog

VioletSky

Drag challenges the patriarchy the same way the first woman to put on a pair of trousers did. It banishes gender norms. Or at least that is the way many drag artists view the subject and the intention does matter

No, there are enormous differences. Drag exaggerates femininity with huge eyelashes, massive lips in garish colours, giant hairstyles, enormous breasts and skintight clothing. Only a patriarchy that fetishises women with those attributes whilst simultaneously disrespecting femininity as weak and subordinate can possibly see it as acceptable, and gender norms are far from banished when they are the whole point of drag and the butt of the 'jokes'.

Lily Savage and Dame Edna (amongst others) were different, in that their portrayal of women was affectionate and in many ways used the female personae to satirise men.

Agree Doodledog

Just take it to PM or something

It's just unessesary

Mollygo

Smileless2012

Please don't suggest that I would be OK with you or anyone else being stalked or hounded across threads VS.

On some threads, when I post, I often feel stalked and harassed. The stalkers twist what I say to mean what they want it to mean even when they’ve vowed not to engage. And then they accuse others of stalking and harassing. It’s hard sometimes.

I hear you, Molly.

VioletSky

Drag challenges the patriarchy the same way the first woman to put on a pair of trousers did. It banishes gender norms. Or at least that is the way many drag artists view the subject and the intention does matter

No, there are enormous differences. Drag exaggerates femininity with huge eyelashes, massive lips in garish colours, giant hairstyles, enormous breasts and skintight clothing. Only a patriarchy that fetishises women with those attributes whilst simultaneously disrespecting femininity as weak and subordinate can possibly see it as acceptable, and gender norms are far from banished when they are the whole point of drag and the butt of the 'jokes'.

Lily Savage and Dame Edna (amongst others) were different, in that their portrayal of women was affectionate and in many ways used the female personae to satirise men.

Blondiescot

fancythat

God

Whose god? Your god? What about those who have other gods - or those like me, who have none?

When I say God it is only ever the One true God.
The rest are gods. Entirely different.

I think most people, even though the country is moving away from God, do know when people say God, they mean the God of Heaven and earth.
But I will continue to explain if I need to.

God is the God of All. Regardless whether people sadly, may not know Him. Or know of Him. Yet.

Smileless2012

Please don't suggest that I would be OK with you or anyone else being stalked or hounded across threads VS.

On some threads, when I post, I often feel stalked and harassed. The stalkers twist what I say to mean what they want it to mean even when they’ve vowed not to engage. And then they accuse others of stalking and harassing. It’s hard sometimes.

Drag challenges the patriarchy the same way the first woman to put on a pair of trousers did. It banishes gender norms. Or at least that is the way many drag artists view the subject and the intention does matter

That would be good Beetlejuice. Is there anyone who agrees that trans queens are challenging patriarchy and if so, could you say why?

Ask the people doing it Beetlejuice

It's not actually me hounding others

Please don't suggest that I would be OK with you or anyone else being stalked or hounded across threads VS.

Please, please can we get back to the subject of the thread and stop deflecting and diverting? There has been lots of very interesting information shared today and it's really unfair to others to keep trying to derail it. Thank you.

Smileless2012

It's not the same VS as I don't see you being stalked or harassed.

Exactly the problem

Whatever I knew or didn't know about you or doodledog or anyone else I'd never use it to get at you across threads

But you think it's ok, more power to you, it obviously matters not one bit that it makes me uncomfortable that other posters are able to make a full list of personal things I've shared one at a time on many different threads and bring them here where they aren't relevant

I'm just not engaging in it in future, it won't reflect badly on me. It's internally irrelevant

It's not the same VS as I don't see you being stalked or harassed.

Oh no, I'm beginning to find that word rather disturbing TBH as it often means anything but inclusive and yes, where does it stop and when will age appropriate be taken into account?

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Yes you're right VS in my case it was stalking and harassment and I have moved past it or I wouldn't still be here on GN.

silverberryfern

The idea behind having drag queens read to children in libraries and schools is to promote inclusivity and celebrate diversity in a fun and engaging way.

I really can’t believe I’m reading that.
Where does your inclusivity stop?

I find it difficult to keep a straight face when it's suggested that drag is a challenge to patriarchy TBH Doodledog, and would be interested to see that claim expanded upon to explain how that conclusion was arrived at.

No that wasn't an insult, it was a genuine mistake and should have been viewed as such.

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I’m not (as you can tell) au fait with drag queens, but actually, he is also overdressed for reading stories to young children other than his own, if he has any-more like a TW than a D Q.
The most important part of storytelling is the story, not the teller. If a child goes home and says we had a story read by a drag queen today rather than talking about a great/exciting/ lovely/ spooky story, etc the storyteller has failed.
If children went home, talking about the content of some of those books suggested or those games suggested, and then we will we know the real purpose of the drag queen being there.