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I've just come back from the shops and see the DM have an article by Julie Bindel.

I know lots of you don't like to read DM but it is free on line and gives you some idea of what is happening.

It might be elsewhere I just didn't notice.

I think considering Sadiq Khan's view on the trans issue is well known, he is trying to hedge his bets, by making women feel he is also supporting them.

Frankly I don't think most men are as stupid as his ad. makes them out to be, and most women will see through this.

Julie Bindel regularly writes in the DM. She’s always worth reading.
Thanks for raising this namsnanny. I’m not convinced this campaign will address misogyny

Your welcome Iam64
Although if you regularly read JB, you would have come across this item without my posting it here!!

What is DM and jB

Daily Mail and Julie Bindel.

I think it's an awful campaign. There are examples already of men endorsing the campaign whilst at the same time cheering on their mates misogyny.

I wouldn't rely on the Daily Mail's account of anything!

There are details of the campaign across whatever media you prefer.

Grantanow, it’s being discussed on Jeremy Vine now

I think it's a good idea. It's hard to call out misogyny when it's disguised as banter, but banter normalises the attitudes that lead to abusive behaviour. This seems to me like a good way to give young men the courage to stand up against their mates.

The news report says the campaign had input from therapists specialising in this area
I’m trying not to be a moaning myrtle but so far, I’m not impressed
Despite it featuring no female victims, one caller to the JV shoe said he was sick of being told how to think by government and was going back to the seventies “when men were men”

Andrew Taite seems to have a good following

If it puts an idea into men’s heads that we are all responsible for how people inter-act with each other, and how that affects girls and women, then it is a good idea.
Had many inappropriate leery remarks and encounters as a child and teen in the 70s. Sad that I remember them. The blokes who shouted ‘like your tits’ etc presumably were ignorant of how much they scared me. Or is that why they did it?

I think men are often appalled about misogyny but don't feel able to step in. I know my son hated the Club scene because he hated to see how men would treat young women who had had too much to drink but said that it was too dangerous to step in because you didn't know what reaction you would get from the man especially if he had been drinking too.

I don't feel too negative about this campaign as you have to start chipping away at current misogynistic attitudes at some stage. It can give some young men courage as some posters have indicated to call it out. Men with misogynistic attitudes don't listen to women but they do want respect and approval from men they see as important in a community. I can remember, when a lot younger than I am now, that if a young man tried his luck with a 'blue' joke, an older man would give a cough and say 'Ladies present' which, in effect, told the young man off and reminded him of his manners. Little by little.

Namsnanny

I've just come back from the shops and see the DM have an article by Julie Bindel.

I know lots of you don't like to read DM but it is free on line and gives you some idea of what is happening.

It might be elsewhere I just didn't notice.

I think considering Sadiq Khan's view on the trans issue is well known, he is trying to hedge his bets, by making women feel he is also supporting them.

Frankly I don't think most men are as stupid as his ad. makes them out to be, and most women will see through this.

I don’t really care what others think about my reading habits, and I read the mail online constantly and make no apologies for it..🤓
I think you’ll find most people who don’t like the mail also don’t like GB news..

Ok Shinamae - any comment on the Julie Bindel article

It will need more than this to stop misogyny among young men.

Castafiore

I think it's a good idea. It's hard to call out misogyny when it's disguised as banter, but banter normalises the attitudes that lead to abusive behaviour. This seems to me like a good way to give young men the courage to stand up against their mates.

Yes I do too. it's specifically aimed, as in young men and banter - and cannot possibly hope to cover every angle. Even the level of agreement and disagreement on it is producing debate, no bad thing.

Given the levels of domestic abuse and belittling that still happen, its an every little helps situation as far as I'm concerned.

Oreo

It will need more than this to stop misogyny among young men.

Indeed Oreo I agree, I hope there will be more initiatives targeted differently. I dont think the reaction Maaaate is necessarily spot on, but it encourages hopefully other words spoken instead - its the intervention that counts.

Most of teenage boys I know watch Andrew Tate, that’s what we have to address with billboards, not wifebeaters who already have a police charge.

I wish I knew how we could turn things around! My second marriage turned out to be with someone who was abusive an carried those sort of thought about women inside tho it took time to come out.

In the 1970's in the womens Movement the men involved with us at the time also wanted to see a change and I'm glad to have known them and many around now I'm sure, and I brought up my son with one and glad that he regards women with respect and equality

But truly, how can we change the tides of misogeny?