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Cid24 Sat 02-Sept-23 12:22:48

My DH and I were in restaurant yesterday, and DH being a chatty chap started talking to the waitress. He asked her where she was from, and before she could answer he said, " are you from Romania ?'
She got very cross with him , asked why he would assume that, and said that she shouldn't assume and that he should have just asked where she was from.
He apologised , and she said she was from Albania.
Do the Albanians and Romanians dislike each other?
He realises that he was clumsy but really didn't mean to upset her. He's an ex English language teacher and is interested to know peoples backgrounds, and where in the world they are from.He loves maps and travel.
My pal thinks he's being nosy and shouldn't ask anything at all.
I'm sure you gransnetters will have some views on this!

welbeck Sun 03-Sept-23 13:39:19

OP, that does sound like typical mansplaining, which is annoying; asking a question and then answering it also.

Hetty58 Sun 03-Sept-23 13:33:09

Whatever you do or say - there's always somebody just waiting to be upset or insulted. Then you simply apologise and move on.

I'm thinking of a person who married into our family. She's been upset on several occasions - due to other's perfectly harmless remarks or questions - as she's just very insecure.

Granmarderby10 Sun 03-Sept-23 13:26:37

ElaineI

I think he should have waited for her reply so yes that was rude. She was also rude for the way she spoke to him though it could partly be the language barrier. He did apologise though. DH was a teacher and talks all the time. I start a conversation and he takes it over so I tend to keep quiet.

oh! ElaineI how tiresome of him. You are not alone though🙄

Esmay Sun 03-Sept-23 12:44:03

I'm always fascinated by accents and often ask people where they come from .
Usually , they are only too happy to tell me , but occasionally it causes offence .

I don't mind if people ask me where I come from as I don't look typically English .

Possibly, it's the way I dress (I'm fond of ethnic clothes) or my eye make up (I like using kohl) or the way that I speak - very clearly as I used to teach English as a foreign language .

ElaineI Sat 02-Sept-23 20:35:22

I think he should have waited for her reply so yes that was rude. She was also rude for the way she spoke to him though it could partly be the language barrier. He did apologise though. DH was a teacher and talks all the time. I start a conversation and he takes it over so I tend to keep quiet.

Greenfinch Sat 02-Sept-23 16:19:21

We had an experience about 35 years ago when I wished someone had asked us where we were from. We were holidaying in a remote part of Corfu and went to the bakery where we were told there was no bread left and no one would serve us. When we told our host about this he found out that because our children were very blond they thought we were German and anti German feeling was very strong even then . If only they had asked where we were from!

BlueBelle Sat 02-Sept-23 16:19:14

Whoops CrazyH I remember my ex asking a lady when her baby was due and she’d already had it 🤔
I think you’re husband was being intrusive to presume he knew the answer before she had a chance to give it and yes some of the Eastern European countries wouldn’t get on and it may well seem an insult

crazyH Sat 02-Sept-23 15:48:29

Can’t be worse than me asking a bank teller , when the baby was due - she wasn’t pregnant 😫

Greenfinch Sat 02-Sept-23 14:14:25

I picked up on the fact that your DH is an ex language teacher. I used to be a speaking examiner for foreign students and the first question we asked was “where are you from?”.A very natural conversation starter and an interesting one too and is the sort of question a foreigner generally likes. Nothing wrong with it at all.

annodomini Sat 02-Sept-23 14:01:27

I might ask where someone was from if they were obviously from another country, but I would never assume their nationality. Feelings run high for all sorts of reasons and there are probably historic reasons why no Albanian should be offended to be considered Romanian. As a Scot, I don't appreciate it when someone assumes I'm English. Or is that too trivial?

Cid24 Sat 02-Sept-23 13:35:29

Interesting comments thank you, particularly from Eddiecat 78!

nanna8 Sat 02-Sept-23 13:18:53

When he was younger one of my grandsons went to a school where they were mostly Greek students. When he started they tricked him and got him to ask one of the teachers if he was Macedonian. He got a detention straight off. Some of these things run deep.

eazybee Sat 02-Sept-23 13:12:59

I have a friend who does exactly what your husband does; he likes to ask foreign people where they are from because he loves languages, and is proud of the two words of Romanian(?) that he knows and tries to use! Most waiters are happy to talk about their homeland and pleased that people are interested; the last waitress was from Ukraine, and she talked for a long time and it was very illuminating.

eddiecat78 Sat 02-Sept-23 13:00:32

My OH worked at a plant nursery - the Albania agency staff had to be kept away from the Romanians!

merlotgran Sat 02-Sept-23 12:59:44

It was a bit mean not to leave a tip if she'd done her job well (which I don't know because that wasn't mentioned in the OP) It doesn't show much regret for upsetting her

She’s in the wrong job if she is so full of self importance customers have to think before they speak. Tips are not just left for service but attitude as well.

Regret? You must be joking. She needs to grow another skin.

Aveline Sat 02-Sept-23 12:53:52

She took their order and brought the food. Tips are for service above and beyond the basics. Her abrupt manner probably leads to fewer tips than other staff might get.

MaizieD Sat 02-Sept-23 12:47:36

I think it's a bit impolite to answer your own question before the person you asked it of has had a chance to reply.

I think the lack of 'manners' was about even on both sides.

It was a bit mean not to leave a tip if she'd done her job well (which I don't know because that wasn't mentioned in the OP) It doesn't show much regret for upsetting her.

silverlining48 Sat 02-Sept-23 12:47:00

As for chatty husbands i don’t think mine has ever instigated a conversation with anyone in all the years I have known him .

Dee1012 Sat 02-Sept-23 12:44:44

I think her response was rude but I wonder if her reaction was due to someone being unkind or rude to her...not that two wrongs make a right!

Calendargirl Sat 02-Sept-23 12:42:38

No harm in asking, but should have let her answer first.

Cabbie21 Sat 02-Sept-23 12:41:37

I think he shouldn’t have asked the second question, but nor should the waitress have spoken rudely to him.

MerylStreep Sat 02-Sept-23 12:40:12

I’ve traveled in Romania a lot, but only spent a week in Albania.
If you are interested in languages they do have a similarity.

silverlining48 Sat 02-Sept-23 12:36:18

It wasnt rude to ask but was a bit clumsy to assume. A slip he probably won’t repeat.
I like to chat and often ask too as am interested where people come from. No one has seemed upset by it.
As for Albania it was noticeable they were not liked in the Greek islands years ago, but that was in their isolation years. The name of the dictator….is on the tip of my tongue.

henetha Sat 02-Sept-23 12:32:37

What your DH said was perfectly harmless. She was definitely in the wrong.
Why do so many people take offence for nothing these days?

Cid24 Sat 02-Sept-23 12:31:41

LOL we DIDNT leave a tip!