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Whatever happened to 'ladylike'?

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Littleannie Fri 08-Sept-23 11:36:56

Every time I open a newspaper or magazine, there are pictures of models or 'celebrities' sitting with their legs wide open.
It reminds me of the old Ken Dodd joke about the old lady in her directoire knickers sitting like that at the wedding reception - 'for goodness sake tell grandma to close her legs'.
Or is it just me?

rafichagran Sun 10-Sept-23 17:37:15

Chestnut

^...but you don't see so much in the way of judgemental comments on there. Live and let live! If you don't like the way a person looks then don't look at them.^
Firstly, you don't always have the choice about whether to look at them, you see them before you realise what you're seeing!
Secondly, maybe there is too much freedom, which is why we're in such a god awful mess, with our whole society falling apart. We have let our rules of propriety and respect for each other go down the pan. But hey, don't judge, live and let live like the youngsters do!

Good for the youngsters, how would you judge the rules of proprietary, one person's idea of proprietary is not someone else's.

Primrose53 Sun 10-Sept-23 16:08:39

These shorts under dresses are great. My daughter and my nieces wear them and I have worn them since last summer too. They are very comfy and stop your legs rubbing in hot weather. i have flesh coloured, black and grey.

Baggs Sun 10-Sept-23 15:53:16

Elegance has always been in short supply. That's why it is valued.

Chestnut Sun 10-Sept-23 15:05:45

...but you don't see so much in the way of judgemental comments on there. Live and let live! If you don't like the way a person looks then don't look at them.
Firstly, you don't always have the choice about whether to look at them, you see them before you realise what you're seeing!
Secondly, maybe there is too much freedom, which is why we're in such a god awful mess, with our whole society falling apart. We have let our rules of propriety and respect for each other go down the pan. But hey, don't judge, live and let live like the youngsters do!

LadyStardust Sun 10-Sept-23 14:52:01

rafichagran

Mostly, what I have read on this post is women,slagging of other women, we really do ourselves no favours with these catty remarks. I saw this woman today wearing so and so. So what, they can wear what they like as can you.
I am sick and tired of women slating other women, today I have seen s men whose choice of attire was questionable, it did not trouble me, I went about my business.
Live and let live and let the young enjoy being young. Plenty of years for them to reflect and think perhaps that was a little to racy.

This!!! The Sisterhood is strong on here today! This sort of thread shows why I much prefer Mumsnet! They may swear a lot and discuss subjects which may make some people blush, but you don't see so much in the way of judgemental comments on there. Live and let live! If you don't like the way a person looks then don't look at them. grin

Devorgilla Sun 10-Sept-23 13:55:44

Correction: I can carry off bin bags but only as far as the bin.

Callistemon21 Sun 10-Sept-23 13:09:17

Devorgilla

Callistemon21, I'd save your time. Only the young can carry off bin bags.

Damn, don't tell me I have to wear M&S just because I'm old!!

Devorgilla Sun 10-Sept-23 13:08:02

Callistemon21, I'd save your time. Only the young can carry off bin bags.

SueDonim Sun 10-Sept-23 12:19:10

My small grandson went out yesterday looking very similar to Madonna’s daughter. He’d drawn all over himself with a felt tip pen. grin

Mind you, he differed from Lourdes in that he had a cheery smiley face on and was happily waving to people who responded in kind.

Ilovecheese Sun 10-Sept-23 12:16:27

Why on earth not be proud of pregnancy?

Harris27 Sun 10-Sept-23 12:13:28

I’m laughing at these comments I work with young ladies full of tattoos and o nights out dresses quite low and short! But they are quite ladylike MOST of the time!

Callistemon21 Sun 10-Sept-23 12:07:31

Chestnut

Let's throw another unladylike picture into the discussion. This latest craze for actively showing off your baby bump is something I don't understand.

Are those trousers made from black bin liners?
Is that the latest trend? Cheap and cheerful, I'm looking for a pattern now.

Chestnut Sun 10-Sept-23 12:04:52

Let's throw another unladylike picture into the discussion. This latest craze for actively showing off your baby bump is something I don't understand.

rafichagran Sun 10-Sept-23 10:54:28

Callistomom how Madonna's daughter dresses is up to her, just because you say she is a role model to other girls does not mean she has to conform, she has the right to her own desitions.
I would be very dissapointed if my daughter and young Grandaughter copied something like that, and did not have their own minds, I would not be dissapointed if they wore something others disapproved of so long as it was their choosing.
Part of being young is rebelling, and I would not want it any
other way. Live and let live.

Callistemon21 Sun 10-Sept-23 09:50:52

rafichagran

Mostly, what I have read on this post is women,slagging of other women, we really do ourselves no favours with these catty remarks. I saw this woman today wearing so and so. So what, they can wear what they like as can you.
I am sick and tired of women slating other women, today I have seen s men whose choice of attire was questionable, it did not trouble me, I went about my business.
Live and let live and let the young enjoy being young. Plenty of years for them to reflect and think perhaps that was a little to racy.

To anyone who thinks that Madonna's daughter looks lovely and is just expressing her freedom to be a woman and dress as she pleases - just remember she could be a role model for girls and young women.

Would you all want your granddaughters to go out dressed like that?

I don't.

What would you say if it was a man dressed in a similar fashion at a public event?
I wouldn't like to see that either.

Hithere Sun 10-Sept-23 01:48:04

Ladylike lol!

If a pose is good enough for a man, why is it an issue for the opposite gender?

Chestnut Sat 09-Sept-23 23:56:01

MerylStreep

rafichagran
Thank you. It’s pretty bad isn’t it when they smell blood.

Good heavens, who smells of blood? That does sound pretty bad. And who are 'they'?

M0nica Sat 09-Sept-23 23:09:19

I keep remembering the barely bum covering mini dresses i wore in the 1960s. I couldn't bend down only gracefully(?) squat.

What goes around comes around.

MerylStreep Sat 09-Sept-23 18:04:55

rafichagran
Thank you. It’s pretty bad isn’t it when they smell blood.

rafichagran Sat 09-Sept-23 17:49:20

Mostly, what I have read on this post is women,slagging of other women, we really do ourselves no favours with these catty remarks. I saw this woman today wearing so and so. So what, they can wear what they like as can you.
I am sick and tired of women slating other women, today I have seen s men whose choice of attire was questionable, it did not trouble me, I went about my business.
Live and let live and let the young enjoy being young. Plenty of years for them to reflect and think perhaps that was a little to racy.

DerbyshireLass Sat 09-Sept-23 17:41:01

The term ladylike has been debased and abused to the point where now it is seen as quaint and old fashioned at best and is often now used as an insult, with connotations that the woman who acts with decorum or grace (exhibiting a "ladylike" demenour) must be oppressed, subservient or a prude.

Funny how the word "gentleman" does not have the same connotations.

Grandma70s Sat 09-Sept-23 17:32:49

Just chipping in here to say that I’m 83 and in my world I have never heard the word ‘ladylike’ used without irony.

SueDonim Sat 09-Sept-23 17:13:09

Witzend

The latest abomination (to me) is what they apparently call ‘scrunch bum’ leggings. The first time I saw some - pink or flesh colour maybe 20 yards away - I honestly thought the girl had gone out with not just no trousers, but no knickers, either.

Is that what they’re called?? I’ve noticed them over the past year or so and they leave almost nothing to the imagination. 😳. I saw a young girl, maybe 13/14yo at most, wearing pink ones today. She looked practically naked as she shopped in Aldi, with someone who presumably was her father.

Mind you, the semi-naked, sweaty man weaving his drunken way down the high street mid-afternoon was also a sight I’d have preferred not to have see.

Dickens Sat 09-Sept-23 15:54:09

Devorgilla

Dickens, I agree with you. Women need to acquire the same sort of power men have. I believe a lot of it is based around ownership of land and property and means of earning a living. Men for centuries have set the bar high and what is really annoying them in modern times is that we can control our fertility and whether we decide to give birth or not. We are therefore more free to challenge and enter their world, and demand by right what they have. What's more we win that right - it is not given to us. I hate that expression - my husband allows me to do this, that or the next thing. I earned my money all my life and no one tells me how I will spend it once I have paid my whack into the house. I cannot believe the number of women who don't even have their name equally on the property. One of the best things my mother ever taught all her daughters was to look after ourselves first, last and always as men have done it for centuries and it hasn't done them any harm. Thanks Mum.

Well taught - your Mum!

I once worked with a rather fierce Scottish guy - older man with four daughters. I remember a young whippersnapper (male) in the office banging on about a "woman's place" in society. My Scottish colleague glared at him and said in his wonderful accent, Laddie, a woman's place is where ever she decides it is. I suspect his daughters appreciated their dad.

Of course, some men will go along with the myth of empowerment attached to women who pose half naked, sell sex and work in the porn industry... "they're exercising their freedom to choose" I was told by one irate male when I challenged him. As if men have ever tried to prevent women from selling their bodies!

Different story if women exercise their freedom to choose in the Board Room or in government though!

Of course, not all men are like that, thank goodness.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Sat 09-Sept-23 15:11:04

I agree that both sexes could act with a lot more decorum Dickens and therefore I try to set an example. Hasn't it always been the case that women have been set to a higher standard than men?

I try not to swear and draw the line at the f-word in public - if others want to use it that's their lookout. I use 'botheration', 'damnation', or 'what the Dickens' just to set myself apart from the rest of the heathens.

Many good comedians swear a lot on stage and that's their choice. I don't have to join in.