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disrespectful Rishi Sunak

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infoman Tue 28-Nov-23 07:11:17

to the Greek PM,
for not meeting the Greek PM to discuss the Elgin Marbles.

The Elgin marbles were rescued from the Ottoman invasion of Greece by the British in the early 1800's.
The Marbles are now on display in the British museum,
and Greece want them back.
In my opinion the marbles should be returned to Greece.

Milest0ne Sat 02-Dec-23 21:18:52

There are lots of antiquities plundered from around the world. I often think of all these items on a roundabout as part of a type of swap shop event till they end up where they originated. Our museums would look very different.
What would you like to see back in Britain.?

Callistemon21 Sat 02-Dec-23 14:38:16

When I was a young child I really thought they were marbles and wondered what all the fuss was about!

CoolCoco Sat 02-Dec-23 13:26:41

We may “own” these items, but culturally they belong in Greece who want them back to be reunited with other surviving Parthenon sculptures. The British museum didn’t buy them, they were donated by a Elgin in lieu of unpaid tax when he was in the middle of an expensive divorce. We should be gracious enough to return them. Ditto the Benin bronzes which were definitely looted.

Oreo Sat 02-Dec-23 11:57:32

ronib

Maybe King Charles can be returned to Greece and we keep the marbles?grin

Made me laugh😂

Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Dec-23 11:21:18

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

King Charles wore a tie patterned with Greek flags at Cop28 today.

🤔

It has precedent - remember the Queen’s EU hat worn at the state opening of parliament?

The royals speak volumes at times.

Quietly, politely and without fuss too Whitewave.

The Queen has been proven right too.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 02-Dec-23 09:54:56

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

King Charles wore a tie patterned with Greek flags at Cop28 today.

🤔

It has precedent - remember the Queen’s EU hat worn at the state opening of parliament?

The royals speak volumes at times.

Quietly, politely and without fuss too Whitewave.

Iam64 Sat 02-Dec-23 08:27:21

yellowfox

Rishi should put an end to all the discussions over the years. As a gesture of goodwill he should return them to their rightful country.
Let'e not hang on to artifacts which would be better displayed in Greece and replace them with some history of our own country.

And - great work King Charles on the tie front

yellowfox Sat 02-Dec-23 07:58:00

Rishi should put an end to all the discussions over the years. As a gesture of goodwill he should return them to their rightful country.
Let'e not hang on to artifacts which would be better displayed in Greece and replace them with some history of our own country.

ronib Sat 02-Dec-23 06:29:55

Maybe King Charles can be returned to Greece and we keep the marbles?grin

NotSpaghetti Sat 02-Dec-23 05:55:36

Thank goodness King Charles was "allowed" to go though!

NotSpaghetti Sat 02-Dec-23 05:51:45

ronib

NotSpaghetti maybe for his garden?

I heard yesterday that Elgindid want them for his garden!

Feel the need to fact check this though...

Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Dec-23 01:51:45

Callistemon21

King Charles wore a tie patterned with Greek flags at Cop28 today.

🤔

It has precedent - remember the Queen’s EU hat worn at the state opening of parliament?

The royals speak volumes at times.

widgeon3 Sat 02-Dec-23 00:39:21

that was in response to eazybee or similar n\ame!

widgeon3 Sat 02-Dec-23 00:38:22

well said

nanna8 Sat 02-Dec-23 00:05:43

Callistemon21

[sigh]

nanna8 in case you didn't know, but I'm sure you did, Scotland is part of the UK. We are all one country.

Not sure where Scotland comes into it- I was talking about Greece and didn’t even mention Scotland. Of course Scotland is part of the UK. It would be ridiculous not to be, despite what some say. My grandson is an ‘honorary Greek’ and was adopted as one of theirs when he attended a Greek school during high school.

Delila Fri 01-Dec-23 23:34:31

Good for King Charles!

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 01-Dec-23 23:31:15

I just thought that this made it not unreasonable of King Charles to feel the snub was out of place.

Callistemon21 Fri 01-Dec-23 23:23:52

DaisyAnneReturns

Callistemon21

King Charles wore a tie patterned with Greek flags at Cop28 today.

🤔

His father was born Prince of Greece and Denmark.

I do know that!! Out of all the ties he could have chosen, though, he chose that one to appear with his PM.
😁

pennyhapenny Fri 01-Dec-23 23:21:24

Totally agree. Send them back. We can always take casts before doing so.

If Rishi thought this was a vote-winner, it sorely backfired!

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 01-Dec-23 23:18:44

Callistemon21

King Charles wore a tie patterned with Greek flags at Cop28 today.

🤔

His father was born Prince of Greece and Denmark.

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 01-Dec-23 23:03:25

Germanshepherdsmum

Pressed Post accidentally! It was not intended, by the UK, to be about Marbles. The Greek PM had an agenda which was not disclosed when the meeting was arranged. Somewhat underhand. In any case the Marbles belong to British Museum.

When was this agenda disclosed, Germanshepherdsmum?

DaisyAnneReturns Fri 01-Dec-23 23:01:45

Fairycakes

*DaisyAnneReturns *,
in that case
Sunak should have met with the Greek prime minister out of respect, whether or not he intended to return the marbles.

Indeed. Although I not sure which post you are replying to.

Callistemon21 Fri 01-Dec-23 22:56:45

King Charles wore a tie patterned with Greek flags at Cop28 today.

🤔

MaizieD Fri 01-Dec-23 22:53:44

DaisyAnneReturns

So what is your accreditation that allows you to say Elgin removed the Acropolis sculptures legitimately, eazybee? There are scholars arguing on both sides.

The evidence is an English translation of an Italian translation of a Turkish document. Turkey at the time being an occupying force. This is very shaky ground you are relying on.

To be honest, this is all of little relevance to the spat Subak set off but it does sound as if, yet again, we have someone offering an unsubstantiated opinion which they then expect others to accept as a truth.

The evidence, as described by DAR is very shaky. Elgin was not able to produce the original agreement with the Turks, and neither were the Turks.

The findings of the 1816 Select Committee have no standing in law and were highly disputed at the time. They are not the clincher that people think they are.

The Greeks have been asking for the return of the marbles since they won independence from the Ottoman Empire in the 1830s.

It is not beyond the bounds of possibility in this day and age for accurate replicas to be made of the marbles which could be displayed in the British Museum with an account of their full history. The originals should be returned.

In fact, serious negotiations for their return have been ongoing for a considerable period, which indicates to me that we are not adamant about hanging on to them.

I have been to see them a number of times. They are stunning works of art, classical Greek sculpture is a high point in ancient Greek culture.

NotSpaghetti Fri 01-Dec-23 21:46:43

Who knows!