Depraved modern comedy.

Fair to Good, pornography corrupts but sex acts do not corrupt unless unkindness and cruelty are portrayed as normality.

Pornography portrays unkind acts, but explicit sex in all its imaginative variety is not only pleasure but it is also kind.
The lesson a fifteen year old needs is : kindness and pleasure are good/unkindness and pleasure are bad.

Prudishness is no help to young people.

MissAdventure

Then they get out of bed and stand behind a pot plant, or something....

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Then they get out of bed and stand behind a pot plant, or something....

Passionate kiss!

Luckygirl3

Sexual activity in most (?all) cultures takes place in private. I do not know exactly why this is so, but it is. For this reason watching others having sex is not the norm. If we see a couple smile alluringly at one another, we know what is likely to follow - we would not expect to watch it happen. And we do not need to see it happen onscreen.

My concern about the sort of sex that youngsters see on screen is that it is often divorced from any sort of relationship. Now clearly casual sex does happen IRL but I am guessing that most of us would not regard that as something we might wish our children or GC to aspire to - we hope that they will find someone who respects and cares for them and with whom they can lovingly explore sexual activity of whatever kind.

The acceptance of the bland assumption that our young people are being exposed to sexual activity on their phones and that is OK concerns me. I do not think it is OK. I think it is confusing and disturbing for them and sets up the expectation (particularly amongst girls) that this is what is expected of them.

The film that the OP cites should not in my opinion be rated as OK for 15 year olds to watch; and I would go further and say that I do not think anyone needs to watch voyeurism taking place.

Many actors are themselves disturbed by the sex scenes they are asked to take part in. Why should they be pushed inexorably down this route? Watching people having sex is not a normal activity. And porn addiction is becoming more of a problem and undermining many relationships.

My children knew the basics of sex from the age of about 4, so I am in no way coy about this. But they also learned about loving relationships, respect and kindness, and this was central to our conversations on the subject.

So many films and TV series go further than needed in terms of depicting sexual activity - as in real life, we can imagine the next steps.

Yes, we absolutely can. Nothing wrong with showing a passionate and then cutting to them just in bed or finishing dressing etc We can all use our imagination.

Sexual activity in most (?all) cultures takes place in private. I do not know exactly why this is so, but it is. For this reason watching others having sex is not the norm. If we see a couple smile alluringly at one another, we know what is likely to follow - we would not expect to watch it happen. And we do not need to see it happen onscreen.

My concern about the sort of sex that youngsters see on screen is that it is often divorced from any sort of relationship. Now clearly casual sex does happen IRL but I am guessing that most of us would not regard that as something we might wish our children or GC to aspire to - we hope that they will find someone who respects and cares for them and with whom they can lovingly explore sexual activity of whatever kind.

The acceptance of the bland assumption that our young people are being exposed to sexual activity on their phones and that is OK concerns me. I do not think it is OK. I think it is confusing and disturbing for them and sets up the expectation (particularly amongst girls) that this is what is expected of them.

The film that the OP cites should not in my opinion be rated as OK for 15 year olds to watch; and I would go further and say that I do not think anyone needs to watch voyeurism taking place.

Many actors are themselves disturbed by the sex scenes they are asked to take part in. Why should they be pushed inexorably down this route? Watching people having sex is not a normal activity. And porn addiction is becoming more of a problem and undermining many relationships.

My children knew the basics of sex from the age of about 4, so I am in no way coy about this. But they also learned about loving relationships, respect and kindness, and this was central to our conversations on the subject.

So many films and TV series go further than needed in terms of depicting sexual activity - as in real life, we can imagine the next steps.

Then again I probably am keen on the censorship that I agree with, and that's the problem.

No I am not sure about trigger warnings because I am not keen on censorship of any kind. But I think talking about the influences that impact predominantly on young girls as Dickens has mentioned is useful. It's that whole choice thing again, if all the choices promoted are aimed at mens pleasure how much of a choice is it.

25Avalon

So we shouldn’t censor these shows as it infringes freedoms? Why then are so many books being censored and re-written? Why so many trigger warnings on them - I still can’t see why there is a trigger warning on “To the Lighthouse” by Virginia Wolfe apart from being difficult to understand and boring in parts.
Well we know what happens to most empires when they collapse, they sink into low moral standards, followed by debauchery and depravity.Afterwards the pendulum swings back the other way.

I think we SHOULD censor, but this film was censored, it was a 15? Maybe we should be more concerned about sloppy censorship, if this had been an 18, due to explicit sexual content, then OP wouldn’t have selected it, it was a 15 and designated as a comedy.

I have mixed feelings about trigger warnings, but when applied to tv and film I think they are a good way to allow adults to take responsibility for their own viewing and that of those in their care. I don't think that everyone's viewing should be 'suitable for' children and young people' in case their carers get it wrong, particularly now that streaming channels have made a watershed irrelevant.

I don't think that pornography is a good thing, but I think that's a separate debate, really.

Galaxy

No problem cossy.
I am going to have to sit down as an apology on social media is so rare. I hope I do the same in my conduct on social media.
The impact of social media on people is another interesting thing I think.

I can be very passionate about my own opinions and get a bit carried away, but I’d never knowingly be deliberately rude and I’m quite happy to own it if I make a mistake.

My husband doesn’t “do debating”, so I love this site, I love that (mostly) we can express our views/opinions/beliefs safely and others can respectfully disagree.

People and their differences are what make our world interesting.

Have a good weekend

So we shouldn’t censor these shows as it infringes freedoms? Why then are so many books being censored and re-written? Why so many trigger warnings on them - I still can’t see why there is a trigger warning on “To the Lighthouse” by Virginia Wolfe apart from being difficult to understand and boring in parts.
Well we know what happens to most empires when they collapse, they sink into low moral standards, followed by debauchery and depravity.Afterwards the pendulum swings back the other way.

petra

Iam64

Cossy - my concern links to specific drag queens where enquiries have shown those individuals shouldn’t be around children. Not all

Like this one performing at Adventure Island ( Southend)
Two friends of mine were there with their children. The management stopped the performance.

Some of our GC were removed extremely quickly…

Galaxy

How is it homophobic if all sexes do it. There is lots of information about young girls being pressurised into anal sex because it is a key part of porn. There was an investigation a while back about injuries at a and e amongst young girls relating to this issue.

Shocking!

M0nica

I am not sure that selling sex is limited to capitalism. Sex can be merchanted. and is in every society capitalist or no. It is just done differently.

Various dictators and leaders of ostensibly socialist/communist countries have found ways of making sure that the needs of those in charge, right the way down the hierarchy get what they want, when they want. Kim Jong Un in North Korea, Sadam Hussein, and Col gaddafi in Libya all spring to mind.

Quite true MOnica.

I was just relating to an aspect of Capitalism, which applies largely in the West.

If we are talking about the sexual exploitation of women, any system will find a way to enhance it.

Mixing the two issues together - explicit sex scenes in films and plays etc, and sexual victimisation of women, it sort of muddies the waters a bit.

Something that troubles me - but I'm not sure bothers too many others, is this: In 'gala' events - like awards ceremonies in the entertainment world, the men will all be smartly dressed in suits, bow ties, etc, and the women standing next to these fully-clothed men will quite frequently be wearing outfits that are designed to show as much flesh as is legally allowed in public. There they stand wth the now 'traditional' provocative hand-on-hip, one knee slightly inclined inwards to enhance the shapeliness of the legs, in flimsy, revealing dresses, next to fully-clothed men grinning above their bow ties...

It always makes me uncomfortable. Not because I'm prudish (I hope) but because to me it strikingly shows the power imbalance between men and women. Barely-there apparel has now become so 'normalised' in these and other events, and I wonder what message it is sending out to both young men and young women.

OK, I guess that's slightly off-topic.

No problem cossy.
I am going to have to sit down as an apology on social media is so rare. I hope I do the same in my conduct on social media.
The impact of social media on people is another interesting thing I think.

Iam64

Cossy - my concern links to specific drag queens where enquiries have shown those individuals shouldn’t be around children. Not all

Like this one performing at Adventure Island ( Southend)
Two friends of mine were there with their children. The management stopped the performance.

But very violent men frequently have a history of porn use. It's often a red flag.
I am not in any way saying what OP was describing was porn, it wasnt, but it's perfectly reasonable to have a discussion on what is influencing young people and where it is coming from.

Galaxy

I didnt make that comment.

Ooops sorry.

M0nica

I should not be on this thread. i rarely watch tv and certainly not any of the programmes mentioned.

i have no moral outrage over what was seen but I think what we should ask is what would be public reaction if the people in these explicitly sexual situations were to behave in the same way in the street - and if the behaviour would not be acceptable in the supermarket entrance area, or on the High Street, or on any public highway, , why should it be considered acceptable to show it in our homes through public television services?

As fot saying that teenagers see worse on their phones. They do that mainly because they know that adults do not approve - and there is nothing most teenagers like more than a good dose of adult tutting.

You could argue the same thing about violence, which I consider far more of a concern, violence in TV, in films and in some horrendous video games and sadly this is played out in public, in our subways, in our high streets.

When my children, three of whom are still in their early/mid 20’s were in their mid/late teens I was far more concerned about them being caught up in violence on their nights out.

I didnt make that comment.

Galaxy

How is it homophobic if all sexes do it. There is lots of information about young girls being pressurised into anal sex because it is a key part of porn. There was an investigation a while back about injuries at a and e amongst young girls relating to this issue.

I’m talking specifically about your comment about “normalising” it, for many people this is normal and clearly it’s the way in which gay men primarily enjoy the act of sex together.

I’m against any girl or boy being pressurised into having sex of any kind.

Dickens

I've thought sometimes that, in a Capitalist world, 'sex ' is frequently just another commodity which sells and therefore also question the motives of script writers, film producers, authors, playwrights, advertisers, you-name-it.

And pornography definitely sells.

If you add to that the frequent objectification of women in all the above and consider the balance of power between males and females in sexual 'politics', I can only come to the conclusion that it is right to question the world of entertainment and its offerings.

TV and the internet are in just about everyone's homes. With the pressing of a few keys and buttons, anyone can watch all kinds of violence, sexual violence and just plain old explicit sex. Then there is the influence of these so-called "influencers" - the very name makes my toes curl.

I'm not sure this is the best way forward in the way children are educated about sex. Teenagers may well be 'clued-up' about sex, but there are still emotions, pitfalls and consequences involved which they have not yet developed the capacity to deal with.

I watched recently a clip from one of those 'talent' shows and saw an audience raving and cheering on a very young girl - aged around nine - singing a song about love and 'longing' in a very polished and professional gravely voice - bumping and grinding provocatively. I found the whole experience deeply depressing.

There is such a short window of childhood before you adopt the mantle of adulthood and I believe the process should be gradual. I think when people talk about the sexualisation of children they are acknowledging that what children and teens are exposed to through the media affects a variety of health behaviours later on. Does a sexualisedd media effecct their behaviour. Girls sending explicit photos of themselves to boys who have demanded them would suggest it does. And how will these boys view women as they mature into adulthood?

I think the OP has a point.

I do agree with many of your points, but I think parents should play a huge role with their sons, explaining that females are more than their looks and objects of sex and are to be respected, and to their daughters around consent and not feeling pressurised. To all children about safe sex and sex not being a commodity but a part of a living relationship.

However, sex has been a commodity since the year dot, it’s just so much more blatant now and I’m not suggesting that’s a good thing.

How is it homophobic if all sexes do it. There is lots of information about young girls being pressurised into anal sex because it is a key part of porn. There was an investigation a while back about injuries at a and e amongst young girls relating to this issue.

Allsorts

I agree with the poster and don’t agree with a lot of what others consider ordinary life for most teen ages and certainly don’t agree with normalising anal sex. Thing a lot agree just to be down there with the kids which they can’t be,
If they lower the bar any more we will all be in the gutter.

I think your comment about “normalising anal sex” is homophobic and plenty of couples of all types do choose to participate in it.

Why would you care what happens between consenting adults of either sex?

I absolutely get you don’t want to watch it on TV or anywhere else.

Do you feel the way about same sex kissing etc ?