Depraved modern comedy.

Fair2good if you felt uncomfortable watching this with your granddaughter why didn’t you turn it off as soon as these scenes appeared?

Iam64

Cossy - my concern links to specific drag queens where enquiries have shown those individuals shouldn’t be around children. Not all

That’s very different, if any of them have been even suspected of any kind of crime or action against children or adults, no they shouldn’t be doing anything involved with children. I agree.

SeaWoozle

I appreciate this is digressing slightly, but I'd be more concerned these days about any teens or young children, for that matter, watching content on TikTok. I have some friends who have a young daughter and the times I've gone round to their house and she's been sat watching inappropriate things for a six year old. Young girls in their teens & older with voiceovers of internet "influencers", talking about showing their "booty" to boys etc. THAT'S not acceptable. There are teens all over TikTok, making funny videos, rude videos, inappropriate videos and assumed violent content. As much as I appreciate all the comments made thus far, I think young people are far more at risk from the stuff on these kinds of platforms and the internet itself. Andrew Tate being a prime example of someone I would NOT want influencing any son of mine.

I couldn’t agree more! The amount of very young children who have unmonitored internet access is truly shocking! I’ve known people giving 6 & 7 year olds tablets and leaving them to it! Very very dangerous, in my opinion.

Cossy - my concern links to specific drag queens where enquiries have shown those individuals shouldn’t be around children. Not all

I agree gin. I work with 3/4 year olds and even they are ahead with certain things in daily life. ( not sexual) but sometimes their terminology whilst playing and talking disturbs me how much they see and hear even from an early age. I would be mortified sitting watching that type of film with my 16 year old grandaughter.

silverlining48

15 year olds are children and under age. 16 and 17 year olds are
also children. . To be un happy they are exposed to gratuitous pornography so early in their lives is natural. Apparently many see it from the age of 10 - on their smart phones.
Its surely is not a good thing but this horse has already bolted.

I do get your point, however there’s a HUGE difference between a 10 year old and a 17 year old!

Iam64

I suspect most of us don’t watch these awful, cheap reality tv shows
I agree with all the concerns here about the malign influence of pornography. Dare I include the use of ‘drag artists’ in for example reading to children in schools/libraries

I think if you go onto the thread about Big Brother you might find quite a few watch “awful, cheap reality TV shows”

As for “dragging” in drag queens in the mantle of “pornography”…. I have no words!

SeaWoozle

Freya5

Respectfully, the OP is a grown adult, knew this was a 15 film and could easily have done their research BEFORE sitting down to watch it. The internet is awash with honest reviews of films and programmes allowing folk to make informed choices on what to watch.
Especially as she had her grand daughter with her.

Nobody is tricking anyone. The warnings were one click away from the main page. Many people I know, myself AND my children included, research films before watching them and don't just go on the trailers or blurb.

I agree. I repeat again I would not wish to be watching sexually explicit scenes on TV with my children or grandchildren!

I am not sure that selling sex is limited to capitalism. Sex can be merchanted. and is in every society capitalist or no. It is just done differently.

Various dictators and leaders of ostensibly socialist/communist countries have found ways of making sure that the needs of those in charge, right the way down the hierarchy get what they want, when they want. Kim Jong Un in North Korea, Sadam Hussein, and Col gaddafi in Libya all spring to mind.

I suspect most of us don’t watch these awful, cheap reality tv shows
I agree with all the concerns here about the malign influence of pornography. Dare I include the use of ‘drag artists’ in for example reading to children in schools/libraries

If it attracts an audience, this sort of thing will continue to be made. If people switched off and watched the oldies instead, we might get better standards.

nanna8 and Cadenza123

I agree with you both.

This anaesthetising is, I believe, bad news for women.

Callistemon21

It's a form of desensitisation by the programme makers.

Totally agree. It seems to be working too.

On a recent cruise we went to one of their comedy shows in the evening. It was just crude and not funny at all but the young ones seemed to laugh and like it. I have come to the conclusion that the subtle comedy we liked has all but disappeared. Now it seems to concentrate on the shapes of vaginas, ejaculation and multiple partners, male and female. Yawn.

I've thought sometimes that, in a Capitalist world, 'sex ' is frequently just another commodity which sells and therefore also question the motives of script writers, film producers, authors, playwrights, advertisers, you-name-it.

And pornography definitely sells.

If you add to that the frequent objectification of women in all the above and consider the balance of power between males and females in sexual 'politics', I can only come to the conclusion that it is right to question the world of entertainment and its offerings.

TV and the internet are in just about everyone's homes. With the pressing of a few keys and buttons, anyone can watch all kinds of violence, sexual violence and just plain old explicit sex. Then there is the influence of these so-called "influencers" - the very name makes my toes curl.

I'm not sure this is the best way forward in the way children are educated about sex. Teenagers may well be 'clued-up' about sex, but there are still emotions, pitfalls and consequences involved which they have not yet developed the capacity to deal with.

I watched recently a clip from one of those 'talent' shows and saw an audience raving and cheering on a very young girl - aged around nine - singing a song about love and 'longing' in a very polished and professional gravely voice - bumping and grinding provocatively. I found the whole experience deeply depressing.

There is such a short window of childhood before you adopt the mantle of adulthood and I believe the process should be gradual. I think when people talk about the sexualisation of children they are acknowledging that what children and teens are exposed to through the media affects a variety of health behaviours later on. Does a sexualisedd media effecct their behaviour. Girls sending explicit photos of themselves to boys who have demanded them would suggest it does. And how will these boys view women as they mature into adulthood?

I think the OP has a point.

It's a form of desensitisation by the programme makers.

Skydancer

Fair2Good I totally agree with you.

So do I. I would feel so uncomfortable watching with my 15 year old granddaughter, and would switch off. Maybe that’s because I’m 76 years old, but I’m certainly no prude. However, I really don’t need this voyeurism portrayed on the TV in my living room!

It should not be either/or, SeaWoozle

It is all unacceptable for children.

I should not be on this thread. i rarely watch tv and certainly not any of the programmes mentioned.

i have no moral outrage over what was seen but I think what we should ask is what would be public reaction if the people in these explicitly sexual situations were to behave in the same way in the street - and if the behaviour would not be acceptable in the supermarket entrance area, or on the High Street, or on any public highway, , why should it be considered acceptable to show it in our homes through public television services?

As fot saying that teenagers see worse on their phones. They do that mainly because they know that adults do not approve - and there is nothing most teenagers like more than a good dose of adult tutting.

I think the most sexually charged scene ever was the chess scene in The Thomas Crown Affair between Steve McQueen and Faye Dunaway.
But then I would say that 😊 Steve was meant to be mine 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨

15 year olds are children and under age. 16 and 17 year olds are
also children. . To be un happy they are exposed to gratuitous pornography so early in their lives is natural. Apparently many see it from the age of 10 - on their smart phones.
Its surely is not a good thing but this horse has already bolted.

And these platforms NEED to do more to protect children and young people.

I appreciate this is digressing slightly, but I'd be more concerned these days about any teens or young children, for that matter, watching content on TikTok. I have some friends who have a young daughter and the times I've gone round to their house and she's been sat watching inappropriate things for a six year old. Young girls in their teens & older with voiceovers of internet "influencers", talking about showing their "booty" to boys etc. THAT'S not acceptable. There are teens all over TikTok, making funny videos, rude videos, inappropriate videos and assumed violent content. As much as I appreciate all the comments made thus far, I think young people are far more at risk from the stuff on these kinds of platforms and the internet itself. Andrew Tate being a prime example of someone I would NOT want influencing any son of mine.

MayBee70

LovesBach

I clearly belong in the era of Jane Austen, as I see sex as something private between two people. I'm not interested in anyone else's sex life, don't want to watch what they do, and don't see it as entertainment. It seems now that watching every kind of sexual gymnastics does save anyone coming up with a good script. Years ago I watched 'Clayhanger'. The plot moved with glacial slowness, but the passion that built up between two of the cast was electric; at one point she said 'People will talk', and his response was 'I expect it's the way I look at you'. It was so beautifully acted, by Dennis Quilley and Janet Suzman, and was one of the most sexually charged and passionate scenes I have witnessed.

Yes. I was thinking about Jane Austen adaptations ( having watched Emma. with the family last week). I remember Clayhanger: loved the books, too. I think one of the most sexually charged films was Last of the Mohicans and that was all down to how they looked at each other!

Colin Firth's white linen shirt was just sold at auction for £25,000, proceeds to go to charity.

SeaWoozle

Callistemon21

That's what I mean about pushing the boundaries, normalising many things, not just sexual matters, until teenagers now do not know what the boundaries are.

But in the case of that film in particular, is it "pushing boundaries" by changing the rating, or not making themes like AIDS/being gay seem a dirty, shameful thing? Which is fundamentally what the film is about.
And whilst I don't necessarily want to see lurid sex scenes in programmes or hear a barrage of foul language, I also realise that it happens and will do my research before I watch it.

Last year I watched The Young Offenders. About a group of teens who get up to all sorts. Exceptionally bad language from the outset, but some of the most beautifully moving scenes you will ever see on screen. I knew what it was about before I watched it, because I checked, and loved every minute of it.

It is pushing boundaries by changing the rating

It is also encouraging under-age children to watch pornography.

Discussing something and accepting this is what some people prefer, is not at all the same as watching it, and what is more, watching a woman watching it which is titillation and sending out the message to children that voyeurism is the norm. 15 years olds are susceptible and easily influenced.

Film and programme makers seems to have lost any sense of responsibility towards children.