Depraved modern comedy.

Crikey I loved Trevor Eve. A sense of guilt was quite creepy if I remember correctly. Older man with a quite young girl? It's absolutely fine to voice concerns about TV, we now look at much of the content that was seemed ok in the past and realise it wasnt. This era wont be any different.
My guess is in the future we will view the access children have to the internet, etc in the same way we view the past message that smoking was healthy.

Cossy

I feel quite shocked that people genuinely believe oral sex, with or without someone watching, is “perverted” or “pornagraphic”.

As I stated earlier, I have no desire to watch anyone else having sex, nor do I wish to watch gratuitous sex scenes with my children or grandchildren on TV.

But I also don’t want my own children to ever feel sex, between consenting adults, is somehow wrong or dirty.

I had all the fact of life chats, including sex, and consent and when they were younger puberty and keeping themselves safe. This was reinforced by good and age appropriate education at Primary and Secondary School.

I guess the message here is to check which films or TV programmes are appropriate for us to watch with teens and accept, for better or worse, that things have changed.

I’m still far more concerned about violence, stabbings, the number of youngsters losing their lives and rape, than I am about consensual sex.

Exactly!

petra

Chestnut
It’s good they you stayed with the program so you could tell us how awful it is 🤔

I’m reminded of my mother when Bouquet of Barbed Wire was on.
Every week when I saw her it was did you see that last night no I didn’t. But she then went on and on telling me how salacious it was. 🤦🏼‍♀️

I didn't 'stay with the program' like your mother did (should be programme).

As I said, I wanted to see what the BBC and ITV are feeding our teenagers these days, something we should all be concerned with. I watched the first episode of the BBC series but only a few minutes of the ITV series. You cannot give an opinion on something without at least seeing some of it, but believe me, I do not want to see any more.

Hithere

A 15 year old can easily be sexually active

Just putting this fact out there

No-one's questioning that, are they?

It is a question of what is within the boundaries and what an under-age girl should be persuaded by others is normal sexual behaviour.

petra

Chestnut
It’s good they you stayed with the program so you could tell us how awful it is 🤔

I’m reminded of my mother when Bouquet of Barbed Wire was on.
Every week when I saw her it was did you see that last night no I didn’t. But she then went on and on telling me how salacious it was. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Have heard of Bouquet of Barbed Wire but never seen it. Just looked and I noticed Trevor Eve was in it. He was also in one where he had an affair with someone's daughter... Ah, A Sense of Guilt.
There's something about him and the characters he plays, for sure! 🤣

AGAA4

The scene where a man is giving oral sex to another man watched by his girlfriend is perverted. Not the act itself but the viewing.
Personally I would rather not watch others having either straight or gay sex in a film or anywhere else and it's time children aren't able to view these things on their phones.

It is voyeurism and is defined as a perversion.

I agree with the poster and don’t agree with a lot of what others consider ordinary life for most teen ages and certainly don’t agree with normalising anal sex. Thing a lot agree just to be down there with the kids which they can’t be,
If they lower the bar any more we will all be in the gutter.

It was very good, I agree, once we'd got over the shock.

MissAdventure

When my daughter was about 15, we settled down to watch "Queer as Folk".

Well, that was quite an eye opener!

Haha. Learnt a lot from watching that. Heartbreakingly brilliant series. Keep meaning to watch it again.

and three pages already!

When my daughter was about 15, we settled down to watch "Queer as Folk".

Well, that was quite an eye opener!

I feel quite shocked that people genuinely believe oral sex, with or without someone watching, is “perverted” or “pornagraphic”.

As I stated earlier, I have no desire to watch anyone else having sex, nor do I wish to watch gratuitous sex scenes with my children or grandchildren on TV.

But I also don’t want my own children to ever feel sex, between consenting adults, is somehow wrong or dirty.

I had all the fact of life chats, including sex, and consent and when they were younger puberty and keeping themselves safe. This was reinforced by good and age appropriate education at Primary and Secondary School.

I guess the message here is to check which films or TV programmes are appropriate for us to watch with teens and accept, for better or worse, that things have changed.

I’m still far more concerned about violence, stabbings, the number of youngsters losing their lives and rape, than I am about consensual sex.

Chestnut
It’s good they you stayed with the program so you could tell us how awful it is 🤔

I’m reminded of my mother when Bouquet of Barbed Wire was on.
Every week when I saw her it was did you see that last night no I didn’t. But she then went on and on telling me how salacious it was. 🤦🏼‍♀️

No, you're right.
I hadn't thought of that.

MissAdventure

Well, if could be an opportunity to have a chat with a teen, around expectations, contraception, sex in general.

I don’t think it’s up to grandparents have that sort of discussion with their grandchildren.

Well, if could be an opportunity to have a chat with a teen, around expectations, contraception, sex in general.

Iam64

It’s so different than in our teens or when young women. Pornography seems to be the way youngsters ‘learn’ about sex- which I find difficult not to find horrifying.

Yet the uproar from some parents about their children/young teens learning about sex, relationships and sexuality is a whole other conversation. Either you teach them yourself, allow teachers to teach it age-appropriately in schools or they "learn" stuff off the internet. Which they're going to access anyway. Probably.

The description of the scene sounds straigh out of the porn playbook. Its influence is not a good one.

Whether we like it or not, once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back. This kind of stuff is out there and whether you approve of it or not, teenagers are watching it. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it's there - and the best way to deal with it to use it to have a conversation with the young person about it.

Callistemon21

^I don’t think you should call gay sexual acts perversion^

The OP didn't.

However, the girlfriend of one of the men watching him and another man having sex is rather unusual.

Just watching the news. Another two 16 year olds convicted of murder but cannot be blamed because they are children.
A 17 year old rapist cannot be named because he is a child.

But posters on here think that it's fine for 15 year olds to watch what would have been considered pornography not long ago.

The more the boundaries are pushed, the more it seems normalised and the more women and girls are coerced into doing things they might prefer not to.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

It’s so different than in our teens or when young women. Pornography seems to be the way youngsters ‘learn’ about sex- which I find difficult not to find horrifying.

silverlining48

There was a discussion on the radio today about how the sexual acts youngsters see on porn are regarded now as normal expected behaviour.
It isn’t and it saddens me that children, 13 14 15 year old boys especially, have these views of sex. It should not be purely physical but a part of a loving respectful relationship.

So much soft porn, and hardcore too is available to teenagers that it’s worrying.I’ve read that teenage girls are often expected (by boys) to have no trace of body hair, figures like slim models
Perky breasts and long hair, in other words like porn stars.They’re also expected to have sex with a boyfriend immediately they’re asked out and to send pics of themselves with not much on.After that they’re frequently dumped by the boy.
Girls need to start having some self respect and say no to all that, but it takes courage.Bullying can follow.

“Perverted” and “Corrupted” are very strong terms to use when talking about sex! Some people enjoy things during sex that others wouldn’t entertain.

Some people still believe gay sex is perverted. Bit sad, especially if you have gay children or grandchildren.

Hithere

A 15 year old can easily be sexually active

Just putting this fact out there

Exactly! It’s so naive to think this doesn’t happen and isn’t normal!

Chestnut

Cossy Most 15 year olds are very familiar with sexual practices both within heterosexual and homosexual communities. I doubt whether any mid teens are likely to be corrupted.

Presumably because they already are corrupted. If they are familiar with a variety of sexual practices by 15 years then they have been seeing things at a very young age, well before the age of consent. The introduction of Smartphones is what this is all about. Youngsters should never have been given access to the internet.

But just because they have witnessed explicit sexual practices online does not mean these should be played out by characters in TV dramas as part of entertainment. Seeing it on main TV channels normalises it and I find it disturbing that grans would think this is okay and acceptable.

I hate to say this as you might think I’m being a bit rude, I think you’re being a little naive in your outlook. At 15, though legally still a child and underage, I’m not suggesting a large percentage of 15 year olds are actually having sex, but the majority of them will be having discussions about sex, will possibly be having relationships and will have been kissed. I’m not suggesting for one moment that 1) they are watching explicit sexual acts online, 2) I said they were familiar ie knew about sex, I did not say they’d witnessed it at a young age, nor would I support this nor did I say I wanted to watch explicit sexual acts myself, with or without a 15 year old present.

I don’t believe sex scenes in a 15 film corrupt teenagers.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Sex is normal! I personally wouldn’t participate in threesomes, it’s not my bag, but what goes on between consenting adults, providing it’s legal and hurting no one, is none of my business and if I wanted to avoid sex scenes in films is watch a 12, PG or U with my children or grandchildren.