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merlotgran Mon 02-Sept-24 12:31:09

Following on from the thread of our own memories, I have always enjoyed reading or watching accounts of a child’s view of events whether autobiographical or semi autobiographical rather than fiction.

Last night I was delighted to see the late Jack Rosenthal’s wonderful The Evacuees repeated on BBC4, complete with introduction from his widow, Maureen Lipman, who played her own mother in law.

My other favourites are Laurie Lee’s account of his childhood, Cider with Rosie and John Boorman’s excellent film, Hope and Glory.

Does anyone else enjoy learning of a child’s account of history, even though it might be sad or harrowing? The examples I’ve given are all light hearted.

Grandmabatty Wed 04-Sept-24 09:27:21

Jeanette Wintersons semi autobiographical novel, 'Oranges are not the only fruit' and David Copperfield come to mind, as does the early chapters of Jane Eyre

Oreo Wed 04-Sept-24 09:19:29

merlotgran

I loved Nigel Slater’s ‘Toast,’ his autobiography as seen through food! A boy growing up in ‘60’s suburbia. So much of our own social history is there.

It was also made into a TV drama.

I enjoyed the book, didn’t see the drama.I felt more sorry for the step Mum who did her best for Nigel and his Dad but got no thanks at all when he was growing up, than I did for Nigel tbh.
His Dad was a gruff character and he lost his Mum at an early age which was very sad for him of course.

Allira Wed 04-Sept-24 08:32:37

Allira

Indigo8

There was a television play entitled "Blue Remembered Hills"
it was written by Dennis Potter and grown up actors played children. Helen Mirren and Janine Duvitski played little girls and John Bird and Colin Welland were little boys. I can't remember who else was in it.
The famous quote is from a poem by A E Housman of course and appears in several books and films.

I'd like to see that again.
I wonder if it was filmed in the actual location in Gloucestershire?

Rosemary Sutcliffe wrote a book with the same title.

It was a Play for Today (as mentioned recently on another thread).

Allira Wed 04-Sept-24 08:31:26

Indigo8

There was a television play entitled "Blue Remembered Hills"
it was written by Dennis Potter and grown up actors played children. Helen Mirren and Janine Duvitski played little girls and John Bird and Colin Welland were little boys. I can't remember who else was in it.
The famous quote is from a poem by A E Housman of course and appears in several books and films.

I'd like to see that again.
I wonder if it was filmed in the actual location in Gloucestershire?

Rosemary Sutcliffe wrote a book with the same title.

Indigo8 Wed 04-Sept-24 08:18:07

There was a television play entitled "Blue Remembered Hills"
it was written by Dennis Potter and grown up actors played children. Helen Mirren and Janine Duvitski played little girls and John Bird and Colin Welland were little boys. I can't remember who else was in it.
The famous quote is from a poem by A E Housman of course and appears in several books and films.

Allira Wed 04-Sept-24 08:07:58

madeleine45

read and enjoyed most of the quoted books, do any of you remember Dennis Potters Blue Remembered Hills? Still love my books and enjoy reading them rather than having a kindle or whatever.

Yes. I have never read it but I should.

HiPpyChick57 Wed 04-Sept-24 08:04:43

Calendargirl

HippyChick

I think the film you are thinking of is ‘Walkabout’, not ‘Blue Remembered Hills’ though.

Yes it is. They recited the poem “Blue Remembered Hills” at the end of the film.
Thank you for reminding me Calendargirl.

Tuaim Wed 04-Sept-24 08:01:40

Edmund Gosse's autobiography 'Father and Son' about his strict upbringing in a Plymouth Brethren household.

Allira Wed 04-Sept-24 08:00:22

JamesandJon33

My aunt gave me several Miss Read books one Christmas. Gentle stories about a country teacher in the 40s / 50s, I believe

Lovely books and I think of one particular bit when I wash the floors.
Miss Read had to tell the cleaner how to wash the floor, by going backwards, not forwards as she did it. The cleaner was walking over the parts she'd just washed.

Calendargirl Wed 04-Sept-24 07:51:47

HippyChick

I think the film you are thinking of is ‘Walkabout’, not ‘Blue Remembered Hills’ though.

HiPpyChick57 Wed 04-Sept-24 07:13:34

madeleine45

read and enjoyed most of the quoted books, do any of you remember Dennis Potters Blue Remembered Hills? Still love my books and enjoy reading them rather than having a kindle or whatever.

I remember seeing that film. Jennifer Agutter starred in it about a young girl and her brother lost in the Australian bush and their adventures, sometimes with the help of an Aboriginal boy on the way to meet up with their father.
Absolutely brilliant film.

HiPpyChick57 Wed 04-Sept-24 07:03:41

Indigo8

Has anyone watched 'Changing Ends'? Although it is not strictly History with a capital H, it is an humorous take on Alan Carr's childhood in the 1980s.

The boy who plays young Alan is brilliant.

I have watched it. I enjoyed it and you’re right the boy playing Alan as a youngster is hilarious.

Bazza Tue 03-Sept-24 17:47:55

I’ve just finished reading Shoes for Anthony, or maybe Anthony’s Shoes by Emma Kennedy, which was a lovely story about an eleven year old boy living in a Welsh coal mining village set in WW2. Such hardships, but also quite funny in parts.

JamesandJon33 Tue 03-Sept-24 17:44:29

My aunt gave me several Miss Read books one Christmas. Gentle stories about a country teacher in the 40s / 50s, I believe

madeleine45 Tue 03-Sept-24 16:40:36

read and enjoyed most of the quoted books, do any of you remember Dennis Potters Blue Remembered Hills? Still love my books and enjoy reading them rather than having a kindle or whatever.

Witzend Tue 03-Sept-24 13:27:51

Indigo8

Witzend I intend to re-read the two sequels at some point The Lonely Girl and Girls in Their Married Bliss.

I was only 15 when I read TCG for the first time. I was surprised at how much I remembered.

Another thing that stayed with me (TCG) was how terrified the main character was, on the night after her mother had drowned, that her ghost would appear. She longed so much so have her mother back, but was petrified of seeing her ghost.

Having had a terror of ghosts for years as a child and young teen, I could really identify with that.

Witzend Tue 03-Sept-24 13:23:04

My long gone paternal granny once told me that she vividly remembered the death of Queen Victoria - she was about 6. The church bells were tolling, and her father said - in very dramatically sombre tones - ‘The Queen is dead!’

And my poor little GM thought the world must be coming to an end if the Queen was dead!

merlotgran Tue 03-Sept-24 13:16:18

I loved Nigel Slater’s ‘Toast,’ his autobiography as seen through food! A boy growing up in ‘60’s suburbia. So much of our own social history is there.

It was also made into a TV drama.

schnackie Tue 03-Sept-24 12:08:29

Yes, I love all these stories. Strangely I was not aware of Edna O'Brien until this weekend, when a friend of mine who is an author, posted a video of her (Edna O'B) being interviewed by Queen Camilla. (Duchess of Cornwall at the time.) It was fascinating and now I am anxious to read her books. Her latest (probably last) book ~Girl~ was about girls abducted in Nigeria by Boko Haram. Quite harrowing, and she actually went to Nigeria on her own, quite elderly, to research the story.

Indigo8 Tue 03-Sept-24 10:47:51

Has anyone watched 'Changing Ends'? Although it is not strictly History with a capital H, it is an humorous take on Alan Carr's childhood in the 1980s.

The boy who plays young Alan is brilliant.

HelterSkelter1 Tue 03-Sept-24 05:55:21

I loved reading Alison Uttley's The Country Child at junior school and have re read it many times since. Semi autobiograhical written about a Derbyshire farmer's daughter in the late 1800s about the farming seasons of the year. A lovely gentle read and very much their life in her eyes.

biglouis Tue 03-Sept-24 01:07:19

I also loved Billy Elliot about a working class boy who wants to learn ballet. His father opposes him because he feels dancing is for "queers" (1980s terminology). It reminds me of my own father who opposed his daughter having a higher education because it "gave them ideas above their class".

Yeah, right!

Indigo8 Mon 02-Sept-24 17:30:12

Witzend I intend to re-read the two sequels at some point The Lonely Girl and Girls in Their Married Bliss.

I was only 15 when I read TCG for the first time. I was surprised at how much I remembered.

Witzend Mon 02-Sept-24 17:20:45

Indigo8

I am just re-reading The Country Girls by Edna O'Brien. It is the wonderfully, evocative coming of age account of growing up in rural Ireland.

I recently returned from Amsterdam but I didn't visit Anne Frank's house. The Diary is perhaps the saddest piece of writing from WWII written by a child.

I must read that again!
A quote I’ve always remembered is ‘She was my best friend, and I hated her.’ (Baba)

Chestnut Mon 02-Sept-24 16:02:26

biglouis

I nominate "The Boy in the Striped Pajamas". A really powerful film. Yes I know its fiction but for me it highlights something which psychologists call "the banality" of evil. People involved in the Holocaust. on a day to day basis were kind to their children and pets. It is a frightening study in how people can compartmentalise their lives. I remember the trial of Eric Eichman. Such a boring banal little man.

Actually I saw a documentary about the children of Nazis and one man lived in a house attached to the camp and it was exactly the same set up. His father was the Nazi running the camp and they had a normal family life with the camp on the other side of the wall. He was haunted by his memories and deeply guilty although he was only a child and knew nothing about the horrors going on. They took him back to the house and he walked around the garden, then stood and looked through an iron gate in the wall which he had never been allowed to go through as a child. Then they opened it for him and let him go through. It was closure for him after all those years.