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BlueBelle Fri 20-Sept-24 11:05:36

An artist has displayed a picture of a nude lady with her legs akimbo in her new gallery window
She has had a lot of complaints and visits from the police
What’s your thoughts on this one? seems public opinion is divided
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c206e5qx82do

Philippa111 Mon 23-Sept-24 13:57:03

I’m an artist myself. It would depend on if it was very explicit or provocative. Is it a sexualised image or a factual depiction. If it showed the inner layers of the vagina I think that’s absolutely not appropriate. If local people are offended the artist should take note and keep that painting in a more private place.
It’s true as it has been painted by a woman there might be less offence than if it was done by a man. Ultimately I don’t think any private parts , male or female should be in a window unless it’s a whole body and part of a whole painting.

Cateq Mon 23-Sept-24 14:29:06

We visited Juniper Artland nr Edinburgh and discovered Tracey Emin had some art work on display and there was a notice in each room that indicated it was of a sexual nature, my husband turned and burst out laughing as I was more interested in the fabulous ceilings than the art work which to my untrained eyes were just wavy lines none of them made any sense of any nature let alone a sexual nature.

Cateq Mon 23-Sept-24 14:29:33

Sorry it was Jupiter Artland

Wyllow3 Mon 23-Sept-24 14:38:28

On private parts: I think that Gustav Courbets "Origin of the World" is basically soft porn for the male viewers of the time.

There are so many depictions of "inner layers" in more recent work and some are expressive/celebratory and some exploitative (wide googling to see if you want to).

They don't belong in windows, but in galleries however.

This installation work from the 1970's - the formative period for feminist art is an interesting example.

uk.pinterest.com/pin/321514860897787230/

Georgia O'Keefe is interesting - some of her flower paintings?

www.themarginalian.org/2018/11/15/georgia-okeeffe-flower/

missdeke Mon 23-Sept-24 15:18:43

Beckett

Actually I have no problem with the subject - just think it is an awful painting!

My thoughts exactly.

rowyn Mon 23-Sept-24 15:19:04

I have no issues with depictions of nudes, of either sex, but I would expect a decent piece of art.
There's also the feeling that the person who did it ( can't call them artist) is deliberately denigrating the female body

Mollygo Mon 23-Sept-24 15:24:29

missdeke
Beckett
Actually I have no problem with the subject - just think it is an awful painting!
My thoughts exactly.

Today 15:19 rowyn

I have no issues with depictions of nudes, of either sex, but I would expect a decent piece of art.
There's also the feeling that the person who did it ( can't call them artist) is deliberately denigrating the female body.

Yes to all these points.

Wyllow3 Mon 23-Sept-24 15:31:53

I don't think the work in the O/P is effective or good art, but imo the subject itself isn't denigrating, depends on how it's done.

For so long women were taught that their "private parts" were shameful or unmentionable in some way and there was so much ignorance about it (I include myself at 18!).

Ilovedogs22 Mon 23-Sept-24 15:36:50

Hear, hear, Granmabatty, it's an artistic image of a human body, we've all got one. I have some marvellous naked female Picasso prints in my bedroom, which just wonderfully celebrate the female human form. People are soo upright in the UK.🤔

Mollygo Mon 23-Sept-24 15:38:07

Displaying it there and like that, especially since the artistic talent is questionable, is as inappropriate as naturists doing a barbecue without an apron.

Ilovedogs22 Mon 23-Sept-24 16:27:07

Yes! I agree about the naturalists, cooking the sausages, must be particularly hazardous handeling the ³little chipolatas 😃

Lahlah65 Mon 23-Sept-24 16:33:48

L’Origine du Monde is part of a genre of erotic art, painted by men, to be viewed by men. It may be a picture of a courtesan ie a sex worker. Although it is now on display in a public art museum, it would have been kept in a private space. It is anatomically accurate and intended to be a ‘titillating’ image not to be observed in mixed company or by men’s families.
The image in the gallery in Hay is not intended to be an anatomically accurate image of a female body but a depiction of a woman showing off her anatomy for the fun of it - not to arouse or please men. I would defy anyone to find this image titillating. And whatever folk think about the execution of the painting, surely the artist should get some credit for the intention (and the fun) behind this.
I am really not sure why people think that children should not be exposed to the image - 50% of them have this anatomy. And perhaps the other 50% wouldn’t be so heavily reliant on pornography to build their understanding of women’s bodies if we were less prudish.

Mollygo Mon 23-Sept-24 16:37:53

I’m not sure telling/demonstrating to children, via art that exposing their genitalia for all the world to see is OK.
If that makes me prudish, so be it.
For me as a teacher, that’s a safeguarding issue.

MissAdventure Mon 23-Sept-24 16:55:01

How about showing other parts of bodies in art, because there is certainly a lot of that?

AGAA4 Mon 23-Sept-24 17:00:16

MissAdventure

How about showing other parts of bodies in art, because there is certainly a lot of that?

Like an armpit?

MissAdventure Mon 23-Sept-24 17:01:45

Ooh you rude woman! shock
How very dare you say armpit. grin

Yes, a big, hairy armpit.

AGAA4 Mon 23-Sept-24 17:03:02

My GS was told when he was at nursery that he must not let anyone but his parents see his bottom and some people believe that showing pictures of people's genitalia is a good thing for children?

AGAA4 Mon 23-Sept-24 17:06:31

MissAdventure

Ooh you rude woman! shock
How very dare you say armpit. grin

Yes, a big, hairy armpit.

Sorry for being so indecent. Armpits should be kept inside the shirt. 😄

MissAdventure Mon 23-Sept-24 17:08:07

Best place for them. smile
Although, I quite like them.
But that's a whole other thread.

sandelf Mon 23-Sept-24 20:17:47

Thank God 'art' in on the streets now - galleries finished. Round my way there is so much Fabulous art to see just 'out there' - this of David Attenborough just down the road. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl74595pv58o

MissAdventure Mon 23-Sept-24 20:20:20

Has anyone seen the new Oscar wilde art?
Hideous, I think his family have called it.

It's his head, split into slices.

Oreo Mon 23-Sept-24 20:26:21

It’s interesting tho ( Oscar Wilde) even if hideous.Has the artist said what point he was making?
The same for the statue of a woman in the river which lights up at night, the artist says he was thinking of Ophelia but to the casual eye looks like a female drowned body.

MissAdventure Tue 24-Sept-24 08:01:43

I haven't seen what the artist was or is, saying - not sen that drowning woman, either.
I need to have a look.

Ilovedogs22 Tue 24-Sept-24 10:50:00

Hear,hear! Lahlah65. We should not be ashamed of our miraculous bodies. The controversial artwork in Hay was original & brave, celebrating the wonder of the female form in a quirky manner, Some people are soo narrow-minded 😊

Mollygo Tue 24-Sept-24 12:06:15

Narrow minded works both ways.
Saying people are wrong for finding something distasteful, inappropriate or simply poor artwork is soooooooo narrow minded too.