The EU

ALANaV

Having lived in Grance for more than 25 years I was astounded when other Brits LIVING there voted LEAVE !!!!!! Why ???? France has an excellent healthcare system for which you require insurance BUT you get what you pay for … and before anyone says ‘we pay N I to cover free healthcare’ NO ….. it’s insufficient now we are living longer and newer treatments are demanded instantly from the NHS …… France is a much better place

I live in a lovely French town, things work well, just got new pavements even. I pay 50€ a month for health insurance and can see a doctor or dentist easily. Its good

David49, i think you are quite correct with your post, in regards to Macron and the changing situation in
Europe too.

Someone can be a good constituency MP and have his snout in the trough.

When I worked with Age Concern (as was), part of the area I covered was in Boris Johnson's costituency, at the time. He had a well organised constituency office who took up cases I referred to them and speedily sorted them. It doesn't mean that BJ is not a venal lying chancer.

The objective of the EU is to level out the differences between members to prevent conflict that plagued the 20th century and before. It has been astonishingly successful there has been no conflict for 80 yrs, of course there have been jealousies, some think others have been getting a better deal.

Macron complaining about regulation is pretty rich, France is one of the most beaurocratic of all, what he is really saying is that EU regulations don’t suit him. He is pretty embattled at home with politics moving right, other countries are also changing in the same way, the EU will also change.

Currently it’s migration that’s causing a lot of tension with more anti immigrant politicians being elected in all member states, not least France. Ukraine is going to be a big cost to us all in coming years, the war and then the rebuilding, someone is going to pay not “someone else”, win or lose.

Starmer can see that UK has got itself into the position where the well off have too much and taxes are being avoided which benefits only them. Nobody likes having to give up the benefits they have enjoyed and don’t need, but if we want a fairer society it’s got to happen.
Or is anyone going to argue that we don’t want a fairer society?.

I think there are many decent MP's. Cross party. GN's supporting different parties have told us about them from personal experience of their MP many times as regards constituency work.

Just type in your search engine the MP's name and "Registered Interests" as regards a look at financial side.

icanhandthemback

Many of the leavers felt that the EU needed reform in order to make it more workable but were considered anti-immigration and xenophobic. I didn't mind the EU in principle but fervently believed that it was a cumbersome way to run a railroad. I would have liked a Leave, Remain or Reform vote! However, the latter would not have happened. Change/deals/agreement takes a long time in the EU!

Of course the EU needs to change and adapt to changing world circumstances. The UK played an important role in challenging from within and Macron saw the UK as a potential ally in this. There was always lots of misinformation about EU regulation- often encouraged by UK government ministers. (Personally, I will never be able to forgive Labour under Corbyn’s leadership for not mounting a proper opposition to leave, but that’s another whole issue.)

nanna8

Chairman Keir is doing his best to emulate his old Russian predecessors. Corruption at the top and all equal underneath, except his ‘mates’. I truly believe he is the worst thing to happen to the UK in decades and only hope and pray some decent Labour politician will take over in the not too distant future.

What you forget nanna8 is that however disappointing Keir Starmer is proving to be, he was the only feasible alternative to the even more corrupt and sleazy Conservatives and any of the current or recently past leaders.

As for praying for some decent Labour politician, I am afraid in UK at the moment the words 'decent' and 'politician' together are an oxymoron, there aren't any, anywhere in our electoral system. Regardless of party.

I think the irony is, - and many foreign powers recognise this -, that although the UK joined the European Community about 15 years later than the others, we were actually the architects of its design. We shaped so much of its being, especially the single market. The other members often disliked us, but they recognised our generous contribution. Now they are stuffed without us and Macron is intelligent enough to realise this. The UK is stuffed too, no longer being part of the EU, but at least we contributed fully and more, and the bloc would never have succeeded in the way it did without our input.
I guess in his speech Macron was in a way bemoaning the loss of the ambition and innovation we brought, despite all the arguments. Rebuilding will be difficult going ahead. Kudos to Macron for saying it as it is, (but without Starmer's favoured tactics for doom and gloom!)

Chairman Keir is doing his best to emulate his old Russian predecessors. Corruption at the top and all equal underneath, except his ‘mates’. I truly believe he is the worst thing to happen to the UK in decades and only hope and pray some decent Labour politician will take over in the not too distant future.

MayBee70

It would have been nice to have some influence in the EU. Especially as we have a centre left government and Europe is, sadly, veering towards the far right. And, of course, it was a UK far right politician that was instrumental in persuading people to leave.

Stop talking rubbish

ALANaV

Having lived in Grance for more than 25 years I was astounded when other Brits LIVING there voted LEAVE !!!!!! Why ???? France has an excellent healthcare system for which you require insurance BUT you get what you pay for … and before anyone says ‘we pay N I to cover free healthcare’ NO ….. it’s insufficient now we are living longer and newer treatments are demanded instantly from the NHS …… France is a much better place

It wasn't a competition between French and UK health services.
Maybe ask the British immigrants why they voted leave, their answers are likely the same.

Having lived in Grance for more than 25 years I was astounded when other Brits LIVING there voted LEAVE !!!!!! Why ???? France has an excellent healthcare system for which you require insurance BUT you get what you pay for … and before anyone says ‘we pay N I to cover free healthcare’ NO ….. it’s insufficient now we are living longer and newer treatments are demanded instantly from the NHS …… France is a much better place

I am delighted that Starmer is seeking to "reset" the UK's relationship with the EU.
The way the right-wing media has been attacking him is outrageous.
However, it is the case that all is not sweetness and light in Brussels, made worse of course by the war in Ukraine (and Russia now too)

We in Northern Ireland are still under eu regulations let down badly by government.

Many of the leavers felt that the EU needed reform in order to make it more workable but were considered anti-immigration and xenophobic. I didn't mind the EU in principle but fervently believed that it was a cumbersome way to run a railroad. I would have liked a Leave, Remain or Reform vote! However, the latter would not have happened. Change/deals/agreement takes a long time in the EU!

Kamiso

Forgot that we are not considered mature enough to edit our own posts! The grammar Nazis best give this a rest if the are not bright enough to work out where the commas should be!

It seems fine as it is, Kamiso.

I just took a deep breath before reading it 😂

Forgot that we are not considered mature enough to edit our own posts! The grammar Nazis best give this a rest if the are not bright enough to work out where the commas should be!

Starmer has proved to be a brazen liar with zero conscience and quite prepared to accept 4,000 EXTRA deaths from hypothermia this winter whilst rewarding one union and not seeming to appreciate that the other unions will expect parity and send the cost of living sky rocketing.
It hadn’t gone unnoticed that Sue Gray who undertook the defamation of Boris was rewarded by the Labour Party and is now paid more than the PM. They are acting like out of control dictators having zero regard for parliamentary processes. Perhaps the shock of the Labour Party conference voting against him has encouraged his narcissistic tendencies and enraged him.

petra

Willow3
You’re obviously unaware that we have never stopped working with security services in Europe, it’s just not broardcast.
We had a massive import into the breakup of these gangs.
Many of the people working on it didn’t go home for months, it was so secret.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/encrochat-phone-network-encryption-organised-crime-uk-arrests-police-a9597501.html

I have been aware of the cooperation there has been, and that's a great big of co-operative work there you post against major drug gangs: we are still in Interpol as other non EU countries are.

But we are inhibited
www.eiag.org.uk/paper/crime-justice-security-brexit/

Why don't posters fact check before they make outrageous allegations?

His glasses didn’t cost £4,000+ they were over a 6 year period when in opposition all declared openly- it covered several pairs of specs. I’ve just had to pay £900 for varifocals and they weren’t the most expensive .

Grantanow

Orly - it was after the 1917 revolution that the Tsarist family were killed. The 1905 revolution was merely a dress rehearsal according to Lenin.

(And the Tsarist family weren't in the Alexander Palace either, in this rather bizarre trip to the past).

lefthanded I agree in general about "change from within" but circumstances have now changed so much.

Etoile2701

I feel very sad about it. I voted Remain and would vote rejoin if there were to be another referendum. 'No man is an island' etc.

We will never get the favourable terms that we had before and would have to join the euro. Also our economy needs to be in a better shape. Which it would be, sadly, if we hadn’t left the EU*
*theelephantinthe room
At least we know that Keir is pro EU because he was on our people’s vote marches. Alas I fear that bird has flown for the foreseeable future at least. Still waiting for all those Brexit benefits and amazing trade deals

Perhaps his new £4,200 glasses are rose tinted!
😁

Thry must have diamonds round the frame!

I had a shock when my spectacles were going to be £375 so I chose a cheaper frame, even so they were £250.
I've always disliked them too, false economy.

Willow3
You’re obviously unaware that we have never stopped working with security services in Europe, it’s just not broardcast.
We had a massive import into the breakup of these gangs.
Many of the people working on it didn’t go home for months, it was so secret.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/encrochat-phone-network-encryption-organised-crime-uk-arrests-police-a9597501.html