Rant alert 😡

A Labour government should surely be expected to first and foremost seek to help those workers who are in the lowest pay-grades, plus those currently out of work.

"Working people" is presumably the modern, politically correct term for what used to be termed "the working class".

We all know that most people in any modern country work - there are very few indeed living on inherited riches, so these terms have always sounded odd to me, but you can hardly blame a Labour prime minister for using them, or for seeking to help those who presumably voted him and his party into power.

The last two governments (the Conservatives, now Labour) have succeeded in not pleasing any of the people at any time.

No government will ever please all of the people all of the time.

I know the Tories p….d of a lot of the electorate during their time in office. So let’s not put blinkers on.

I wish the powers that be would spend time in the A&E depts of hospitals and speak to the deluge of people sitting there chatting, laughing, on their phones, eating..And realise 90% of them are there because (a..they don't have a doctor..(b…they cant be bothered to phone the next day and make an appointment..its gotten ridiculous…I slipped over in the street last winter crashed my head-on the pavement…ended up in A&E still there 4 hours later waiting to go down for a scan…The doctor came out made a statement that people would not be seen for at least another 3 hours…And with that, half of the waiting area got up and left…

Kats2

I seem to remember reading somewhere, that your local fire brigade will come and fit smoke alarms for people..

They do.

Well Labour has managed to break that record by being useless in only 6 months or so…Thats what happens when you let a labour government close down the Grammar schools.. You end up with a future Labour government full of morons..Our only consolation is they will be gone in 5 years…

I seem to remember reading somewhere, that your local fire brigade will come and fit smoke alarms for people..

I personally I can’t wait..At least the Tories don't pretend to be something they're not, unlike K. Starmer desperately trying to make it seem like were all in this together..As Rosie
Duffield said recently in her resignation letter - your “decisions will not affect any of us in parliament. “They are cruel and un-necessary and will affect hundreds of thousands of our poorest most vulnerable constituents”

I think the problem here is what they mean by "working people". If that just means taxpayers, then it includes a lot of seniors - which, on the face of it, SEEMS fair (why should any taxpayer be let off the hook when others have to grit their teeth & bear it?). The crunch is that the tax we pay is usually taken from interest we receive from savings - which we've already been taxed for when we earned it and thriftily silted it away (partially relieving the public purse's burden later on - such irony!). This latest wordplay is just another government being evasive and murky, as all governments are. I don't think any government can escape criticism when it comes to either taking money from citizens OR giving concessions. There's always someone who'll feel disgruntled.

Someone above complaining this should be moved to politics forum come on that's like complaining about spelling on here obviously this budget is so annoying people just want the chance to vent quickly

Dynawritecat

Why can nobody see that unless Labour does what it is doing the NHS will remain broken and the education system fail. Our waterways will be full of crap and on and on and on. The situation is drastic. So that's just the way it is. This is all very NIMBY.

Do you mean that nothing will improve unless Labaour ministers can have lots of freebies, make stupid unthought through changes (WFA) and get involved in pointless discussions about what 'working people' are, we can have no improvements in the NHS?

Since when has throwing money at the NHS made it any better or more efficient?

I thought a Labour government led by a man with one successful career already behind him would mean that we would get efficient well thought policies, carefully thought through and sensibly applied.

In fact all we have done is replaced one government that couldn't run a p*ss up in a brewery with another government which couldn't run a p*ss up in a brewery either.

Oh and can I just add... I watched a programme in the week whereby some conservative politician accused nurses of "standing around chatting at their work stations". Apparently her own parents were soaked in their own urine! Interesting she should blame the nurses for the bloody draining of our NHS. I was in hospital for 3 weeks a couple year ago. They were constantly understaffed and run of their bloody feet. (I was infuriated at her remarks thus I can't remember her name).

I agree with you.

Conservative and Labour. They are all the same by the way. Wouldn't trust any of them with my dogs far less people. Full of unfulfilled promises... the lot of them. Its demonising people who don't work as if that's the only status that matters. Preparation to hit elderly, disabled, carers and any other vulnerable group they can think off. All whilst they are jetting off on their freebies gifted by their silver spooned breast fed mates! Is that too much to say? Oops!

Why can nobody see that unless Labour does what it is doing the NHS will remain broken and the education system fail. Our waterways will be full of crap and on and on and on. The situation is drastic. So that's just the way it is. This is all very NIMBY.

heavenlyheath It is not Health and Safety, it is Building Control and the Building Inspectors who should have been checking on those.

If I was you I would contavt the company who built the house and make a formal complaint and also take it up with the NHBC.

I wanted to rant badly yesterday. I am living in a house built only 4 years ago. Had my gas boiler serviced yesterday asked the guy to replace tge batteries in my smoke alarms which he was happy to do. BUT!! when he took down the kitchen smoke alarm it had no battery nor had it been hot wired so just a decoration the 2 carbon monoxide dectectors were out of date by 2 years these are supposed to have a life span of 7-10 years. How on earth did these pass Health and Safety? I now have the expense of replacements and paying an electrician. On google it said pensioners can have free sensors but of course only if you are on pension credit. 😡😡😡

Babs03. Us too! Agree with every word you've written.

Starmer is kicking the pensioners because they can't kick back.

My dear departed parents were of the generation that left school aged 14, to work full time in blue collar jobs, due to basic education, and were evacuated for the whole duration of WWII before returning to London, aged 13.

They married aged 28 (very late in those days) and only had me, as simply could not afford any more children.
Scrimped & saved to finally own their own house, thanks to a low mortgage rate offered by Nat West Bank where my dad was a Bank Messenger until retirement.

Towards the end of his life, dad used to wonder why they bothered "going without" as those who chose to "p**s their money up the wall" got everything handed to them on a plate.

My mum wasn't even eligible to claim family allowance for me until I was 14, as it wasn't paid to the first born child.


Spend it when you have it

The current governement cannot define a "woman" or "working people" I work and have savings - that's a conudrum for Labour as you apparently can't have both! I've worked hard for 50 years (having 6 months off for children) - taxed to the hilt over that period and now the governemnt expect to capitalise from my already taxed savings (cash & property) and death (IHT) - hope I live long enough to see some commonsense return! Rachel Reeves is nothing short of a thief!

I think very few people are not aware of how things have been and not want a return to it. Similarly most people realise that change cannot be effected in a few months.

What is of concern about this government is that so far they have proved to be so cloth eared and heavy footed on a host of minor issues that there must be serious concerns about their ability to effect the changes needed on bigger issues efficiently and effectively.

They have been in power for just over 3 months during which they have been found to be as enthusiastic about accepting freebys and getting their snouts int he trough as any Conservative back bencher. The speed with which they announced the withdrawal of WFP and the totally cack handed way they did it, showed them making policies and announcing them without thinking them through and the way that, over the past week, they have got themselves drawn into this ludicrous dscussion about who 'ordinary working people' are, must lead any reasonable person to have concerns about their capacity to deal with the problems of the NHS, education system, housing and all the major issues that so desperately need dealing with.

At the moment it looks as if we have just swapped one lot of venal imcompetents for another set of venal incompetents.

No, I don't think anyone has forgotten anything petra, but it's perfectly possible to acknowledge modern day struggles and difficulties whilst looking back at the difficulties experienced in a different period. That's allowed isn't it?

How have you all forgotten how horrendously bad things have become over the past 14 years.

The 15% mortgage rate accelerated my return to the workplace, which was actually to my advantage.

I got a job that was a chance in a million, it could have been tailor made for me and that led to all the other more senior posts I held until accelerated into early retirement in one of the many redundancy schemes that sent so many into retirement in their 50s during the 1990s.