Anyone else a bit baffled about the Gisele Pelicot case?

The very fact that this porn star is bragging is about her disgusting intentions proves to me what a two-bit porn "star" she actually is OldFrill.
You cannot deny that women like her warp certain men's perceptions of women & girls, making the world a far more dangerous place for us ordinary females! 🙄

French society is very patriarchal - hence if the husband says it's ok - well, it's ok then.

Hence there being a complete lack of the word "consent" in any French laws relating to sexual violence, or rape.

Let us hope that the judge in this case is fully aware of the implications of the case over which he is presiding. Let us hope patriarchy will not rule.

Let us hope that sentencing is commensurate with the crime.

I believe the sentencing of M. Pelicot is scheduled for tomorrow.

BlueBelle

I d like to know what the 70 plus men’s wives think to it all ???
Have any left their rapist husbands or are they all forgiving and blaming Gisèle or her criminal husband ?

From the tidbits I've read, it appears that some of the men are bending their minds out of shape in order to avoid being sentenced for the crime of rape.

One man, allegedly, said in his defence something along the lines of "my body raped her but my mind didn't" - assuming that as he didn't intend to rape her, it isn't rape.

Others are saying they thought it was a 'game' - implying that Gisèle herself was complicit in it? One said that rape isn't rape if the husband is present - and another that a man can do what he likes with his wife .

Fortunately, her husband is quite adamant that they knew exactly what was involved, as he 'prepped' them before they went into the bedroom.

... yet they are wriggling like worms on a hook.

I can't remember where I read it, but apparently there is a porn site / website devoted to those with an interest in having sex with women who can't physically resist (don't remember the accurate description), and that some of these men were 'recruited' from it.

My point is that if this is the case, then these men were looking to rape a woman against her will, so I hope all their wriggling, and their weak, weezly, pathetic, self-justified, excuses are ignored.

... as for Lily Phillips - the one with 'agency' - who plans to have sex with 1000 men over a 24 hour period next month. If she had an ounce of integrity (or even sense) she would, in the light of this case which has grabbed the world's attention - cancel the event... that would be real agency.

Baggs

Looking back at your post and my reply, OldFrill, I think we actually agreed about the difference between the cases. Or we would have if I hadn't gone all fudgey.

I still find the Lily Phillips case baffling in the sense of why would any young woman do that to herself?

Gisele Pelicot of course had no choice in the matter.

Apologies.

Happy to agree to agree 😄

Ilovedogs22

OldFrill seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick.
Myself & others are not comparing the tragic Gisele Pelicot case with the rampant shenanigans of some two-bit porn tart. However, it is the lowlife-type porn- tarts that warp some men's attitudes towards decent self- respecting, normal, wholesome good women & girls. It's tragic! 🤔

I find calling anyone a "two bit porn tart" incredibly offensive.
Nor do l believed women "lowlife type porn tarts" are responsible for the actions of men like Pelicot.
Honestly even writing the words you use is abhorrent.

The baffling element of this shocking story is that a husband would do this to his wife or any woman and that so many evil men took part. The poor victim is not to blame and its awful to think otherwise.

What happened to this poor brave woman makes me cry every time if comes up in the news.

Uurghhh!
How could they possibly want to be anywhere near them?!?

I d like to know what the 70 plus men’s wives think to it all ???
Have any left their rapist husbands or are they all forgiving and blaming Gisèle or her criminal husband ?

I think men are responsible for their own warped minds, not women.

You can't honestly believe they'd be happy, respectful, faithful husbands if they hadn't had to watch porn with sleeping women in?

OldFrill seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick.
Myself & others are not comparing the tragic Gisele Pelicot case with the rampant shenanigans of some two-bit porn tart. However, it is the lowlife-type porn- tarts that warp some men's attitudes towards decent self- respecting, normal, wholesome good women & girls. It's tragic! 🤔

Looking back at your post and my reply, OldFrill, I think we actually agreed about the difference between the cases. Or we would have if I hadn't gone all fudgey.

I still find the Lily Phillips case baffling in the sense of why would any young woman do that to herself?

Gisele Pelicot of course had no choice in the matter.

Apologies.

OldFrill

Baggs

OldFrill

Baggs

You'll be even more baffled by the Lily Fisher story.

Lily Phillips? It's not in the least similar to the Pelicot rapes. Phillips consented to having sex with 101 men in a day. Gisele Pelicot was drugged, raped and abused for a decade.

I think you missed the point, oldfrill. Campared with the Lily Fisher story, the Gisele Pelicot is quite simple in my view.

Lily Fisher had "agency". Gisele Pelicot did not.

I was not talking about 'similarity'.

Is it Lily Phillips or Lily Fisher? Sorry if I've missed the point I'm now not entirely sure who you are referring to 😕

Phillips. I got the name wrong earlier, but MissInterpreted told me the correct name.

I would actually say there are links.
Porn being one of them.

The choicey choice feminism sets my teeth on edge.
I view the lily Philips case with horror, the damage done to her is unspeakable. And I would be astounded if there isnt a 'history' there.
Only fans should be banned, it profits from the abuse of women.

Anyway, by posting on the thread l assumed you thought there were similarities. Maybe Lily should have a thread of her own.

"I want the world to stop" in the
words from the Belle & Sebastian song!!!
What is wrong with people today, do they have no self-respect??
My gast has been flabbered by the dreadful thing's I've just read, regarding the immoral dreadful women & their disgusting shenanigans! .
They have no connection at all to the tragic case of the poor abused French lady. 😡🤬🤬🤬 🤬🤬🤬

Baggs

OldFrill

Baggs

You'll be even more baffled by the Lily Fisher story.

Lily Phillips? It's not in the least similar to the Pelicot rapes. Phillips consented to having sex with 101 men in a day. Gisele Pelicot was drugged, raped and abused for a decade.

I think you missed the point, oldfrill. Campared with the Lily Fisher story, the Gisele Pelicot is quite simple in my view.

Lily Fisher had "agency". Gisele Pelicot did not.

I was not talking about 'similarity'.

Is it Lily Phillips or Lily Fisher? Sorry if I've missed the point I'm now not entirely sure who you are referring to 😕

Esmay

Would you notice if you were drugged then raped ?
Not necessarily - why would you think that your husband was capable of doing such a thing ?
It's a shame that no blood tests nor vaginal /anal examinations were done .
I can't understand the mentality of the men who raped her .

She was diagnosed with STD's but the implication from her husband was she have been unfaithful (which she had many years earlier).

Poppyred upthread there is a link to quite a full article about the situation, posted by Jaxjacky
I think it would help you to see what was going on.

There is another good article in the Guardian -link up above - which i think was posted by someone else.

Lots of the things that are going on with me are similar to her symptoms.
It would never, in a million year occur to me that I'm being systematically drugged, and shared around with men to abuse.

Would you notice if you were drugged then raped ?
Not necessarily - why would you think that your husband was capable of doing such a thing ?
It's a shame that no blood tests nor vaginal /anal examinations were done .
I can't understand the mentality of the men who raped her .

ferry23

This is a truly shocking case and extensively reported upon world wide.

I'm sorry to be blunt OP, but I don't understand why you're baffled by it? And suggesting that somehow she must have been suspicious and is somehow to blame.

Perhaps you should read the reports carefully and thoroughly before posting.

I did not at all suggest that she was to blame?? Just genuinely baffled as to why she had no idea what was going on, but she was genuinely concerned and I wasn’t aware of that.

The only baffling thing about this case to me is that these men thought it was perfectly ok to go and rape a comatose older woman and that her husband of many years, father of her children, orchestrated the whole thing.

It is beyond comprehension.

Exactly Dickens - and she did of course wonder what on earth was going on with her body (and mind) and why she was so tired all the time.

Nobody suspected she was being medicated to oblivion.

I knew eventually someone would raise the "surely she must have had suspicions" type question.

As her son said, "how can you imagine the unimaginable?"

If you read the full story, you will get the full picture - and that question is answered.