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Luckygirl3 Tue 17-Dec-24 12:54:31

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/sick-of-looking-after-my-grandchild/

This popped up on my phone today. I was able to read it on there but not on my laptop so don't know if people will be able to access it.

Letskeepcalm Sun 16-Mar-25 08:40:22

madeleine45

I was born in 1945 and somehow friends of my generation seem to have rather drawn the short straw. Still rationing definitley sweets til about 1953 , and many other things. We lived in Yorkshire and walked 3/4mile to school for infants and juniors, and then about half a mile to railway station and a journey to the grammar school, and another half mile at the other end to walk , come hail come shine. As teenagers then , we were expected do our share of jobs, go and get shopping etc , with a very small amount of pocket money. No telling the adults what you would and wouldnt do. Then an adult , married and saving and working hard to get
started with a home. Happy to have second hand furniture until we could save to have what we would like. Then with a family but not living anywhere near relatives , only sorted any childcare with friends and share and share alike. Then later the mortgage went up to 15% and our careful budget was wrecked and we scrimped and saved to keep going. As all parents we did without to bring up the family , and by the time they were teenagers they had far more opportunities than we had had. Then they moved away and we helped where we could to set them up. The grandchildren come along and we are delighted to see them but now it is not the pleasure of them coming to stay for a few days or you taking them out as it fitted in with the family. If we are anywhere near our children we are having to make serious commitments to childcare, whether that is being part of the actual after school care each week, or ferrying them to and fro, or having to cancel our plans to look after a sick child as their parents cant have sudden time off from work etc.
One of my oldest friends and I had plans to see much more of each other when we retired. Due to her son being on a two year course in the south east - which will be beneficial in the long run - She and the other grandmother are taking week and week about travelling down to stay and look after the children, because child care is so expensive there. Of course we want to help our families and do our best but at the age of 79 we have managed a couple of lunchs together meeting in the middle, but havent even been able to have a couple of days b and b , never mind having a week together. We also of course were the Waspi women, where our carefully planned retirement was ruined by the retiring date going up and up and again all your sensible planning came to nothing. I have had some great times and love my family as do all my friends , but now we are seen as the oldies who are getting all the houses or hospital beds etc etc, with no acknowledgment of our hard work and efforts for the community. So watch out for the pink pigs flying overhead. Let me know wont you as that will be the day I will feel well, have the time and money to go out and have a good day with my friend!! If there is reincarnation I am definitely coming back a as a cat!!!

I'm not quite as old, 67, but know exactly what you're getting at.
Well said

keepingquiet Tue 04-Mar-25 21:57:46

Another old thread...

LOUISA1523 Tue 04-Mar-25 21:56:37

I'm 59 with 3 GD ....was 50 when I became a granny....I was fine looking after them as babies ....but the toddler stage is hard work.....now they are 9, 6 and 6 they are much easier ....i generally pick them up from school once a week and they sleep over once a month .....when its all 3 together its a bit full on but I don't mind ....I also look after them for a few days at a time if parents go away....but tell them to make sure they book a break during school week so its easier on me

LOUISA1523 Tue 04-Mar-25 21:51:34

Catterygirl

I never wanted children as knew it would be really hard work. At 37 I left the City to set up a dating agency before they became fashionable. My husband agreed when we married that there would be no babies. I was a housewife type, no ambition, just trying to survive financially. He casually mentioned that it was now or never and we agreed to try for a baby knowing no help would be available from family.
Fast forward, our wonderful son was born and it was no where near as bad as I imagined. He was on the intelligent side and rather bored before starting school meaning many sleepless nights. He’s 35 now and I’m 73. He knows I couldn’t cope with daily child care. As for me I worked during labour and back to work three days later. I’m not superwoman so had various au pairs and then a junior student nanny who was his favourite and came on holiday with us. My question is what happened to having a live in au pair? Money?

I don't know anyone who would have a spare bedroom for an au pair....Young families are living in much smaller homes these days

Norah Tue 04-Mar-25 21:49:39

Kamj

crazyH

No surprise. Grandparents you have to be upfront with the parents . When my youngest son had his children, I was straight and said that I would help out with baby-sitting occasionally, but that I would not be able to do daily nursery runs, etc. I was already committed to helping out with my daughter’s children, and had a part-time job too. It was a bit awkward at first, but I felt no guilt, as my d.I.l. had young parents, and besides, my son could afford childcare , if required .

This seems unfair to your son, that you will have your daughter's children but not his...

Our children have all had different needs at different times. Some needed support though small rough patches, others didn't.

One of our daughter was a young widow, we financially supported her, totally expecting our other 3 daughters to understand - they did.

Iam64 Tue 04-Mar-25 19:38:25

crazyH, thanks for setting out the practical reasons one adult child may need more support than another. We had to give financial support to one child for very good reason. The other child totally understood. We altered our will accordingly .

Witzend Tue 04-Mar-25 19:14:05

I was 67 hen the youngest was born - she’s coming up to 10 now. Two more followed, now 8 and 5. We did one day a week with the eldest until no. 2 arrived only 15 months later. However I knew 2 such little ones would be too much- we helped with childcare costs instead.

However I/we still do one-offs and emergencies, and usually have all 3 for a few days at half term (dd and SiL both work full time.) Dd has to go away for work now and then, often for a week or more at a time, so I’ll go and stay to help SIL, especially with the breakfast/morning school rush. They live 60 miles away so I can’t pop in and out.

Letskeepcalm Tue 04-Mar-25 14:44:43

Same here! 🤣 We are both 67 and look after a grandchild 2 long days a week. We also do occasional weekend overnight stays. I offered to do it, we love the child to bits, but it's hard. We, like the lady in the article, would like to feel appreciated more often. Sometimes we can't do right for doing wrong

Catterygirl Sat 21-Dec-24 00:46:11

I never wanted children as knew it would be really hard work. At 37 I left the City to set up a dating agency before they became fashionable. My husband agreed when we married that there would be no babies. I was a housewife type, no ambition, just trying to survive financially. He casually mentioned that it was now or never and we agreed to try for a baby knowing no help would be available from family.
Fast forward, our wonderful son was born and it was no where near as bad as I imagined. He was on the intelligent side and rather bored before starting school meaning many sleepless nights. He’s 35 now and I’m 73. He knows I couldn’t cope with daily child care. As for me I worked during labour and back to work three days later. I’m not superwoman so had various au pairs and then a junior student nanny who was his favourite and came on holiday with us. My question is what happened to having a live in au pair? Money?

crazyH Sat 21-Dec-24 00:11:24

Kamj- on the face of it, it does seem unfair. But these were the circumstances- daughter’s marriage was falling apart - her husband (now ex) , spent more time on the golf course than earning a living. She was the main earner and worked all hours. I have 2 sons. The one who asked me to do nursery runs, was and is a high earning Neurosurgeon My d.i.l. did not need. to work. Besides, her parents ran their own businesses and had several employees. So they could be available at any time. My daughter had only one income as a Pharmaceutical Rep - 2 young children. Unlike my son, she had to work. I will say this, her in-laws helped with the school runs. But,all is well now and my relationship with my son and d.i.l. is fine. I think they understood.

Grayling1 Fri 20-Dec-24 23:43:55

I don't understand how Madeline45 can be a Waspi. I was born in 1946 and I received a full pension when I reached 60 after working 40 years or so - part-time when DC were young and about 20 years full time.

Kamj Fri 20-Dec-24 23:11:44

crazyH

No surprise. Grandparents you have to be upfront with the parents . When my youngest son had his children, I was straight and said that I would help out with baby-sitting occasionally, but that I would not be able to do daily nursery runs, etc. I was already committed to helping out with my daughter’s children, and had a part-time job too. It was a bit awkward at first, but I felt no guilt, as my d.I.l. had young parents, and besides, my son could afford childcare , if required .

This seems unfair to your son, that you will have your daughter's children but not his...

Homestead62 Fri 20-Dec-24 02:25:37

You get one shot at being a parent and one shot at being a grandparent.
I always helped out with my grandchild, the time flies so quickly. Very understandable that it's not for everyone. I wanted to do it and really enjoyed helping out.

theworriedwell Thu 19-Dec-24 20:27:16

My late MIL told us to never ask her for childcare. We never did and eventually she wanted one to one with them. She never got it.

MissAdventure Thu 19-Dec-24 08:45:09

I never planned on looking after my grandchildren, and told my daughter that before she had them.

Of course, I'd have them on a "when needed" basis, but I was working full time myself.

loopyloo Thu 19-Dec-24 08:36:17

Seriously, the way that grandma is treated is unacceptable.
She needs to set out some boundaries.

loopyloo Thu 19-Dec-24 08:33:42

There were a few times when I felt like saying " am handing in my notice. You can get a Norland Nanny"
Or ,that's OK, I'll send you the invoice.

Cambsnan Thu 19-Dec-24 07:38:36

I feel privileged that my grandsons partner trusts me to look after their baby at times that suit me. My heart swells when she says, I know he is with someone who loves him.

LinkyPinky Thu 19-Dec-24 06:52:35

I am the same age as you, with similar experiences, but we are not ‘waspi women’. Our pension entitlement was from age 60, and if we deferred it, it increased. Now though, we seem to be on a less advantageous pension scheme than younger people.

karmalady Thu 19-Dec-24 06:16:46

I have a wonderful close relationship with my teenage dgc and with my AC and their spouses

I live 25 miles away from the nearest. Prior to having children, both sets of parents discussed fully between themselves, how they would manage childcare and both sets wanted to be active parents so until the children were school age, one parent was at home full time and the other worked extra hours to help with income

One dad chose to be a house husband and he has been/is the most wonderful role model. He went back to work when the youngest started school

Never, at any stage have any of them put upon me nor taken my emergency help forgranted. It has been so very worth it for them, their children respect and love them and all are now heading towards wonderful future careers, having been guided by their parents

My situation has always been the gran, the one who is fun, kind and helpful but never a substitute parent

ileea Thu 19-Dec-24 03:51:37

I have 8 soon to be 9 grandchildren. I see most of them on a regular basis also I have 2 of them 24/7 and have had them since day 1. One 14 years and 1 is 5 years-old. I also look after my soon to be 3 year-old gd during the day so her parents can work. They bring her to me. Affordable childcare is very hard to find here.(Canada) My parents helped me and still help on occasion with childcare. I'm 65 but fairly active, I like to think the kids keep me young.
My daughter has let me know what her rules are for my gd, but she also brings over the foods she wants her to eat. They also do other things for me in return for watching her.

I wouldn't change it for anything.

The grandma in the article needs to set some new rules for looking after gc.
If we are going on holiday I let my dd know the dates and she makes arrangements or takes time off.

Deedaa Wed 18-Dec-24 21:41:49

I looked after DD's two babies from the time they were 6months old, till they went to school, five days a week. DD used to leave notes sometimes, but she was never silly enough to ask if I'd read them. In return she was a great support when her father was ill.

Tanjamaltija Wed 18-Dec-24 21:18:54

I’m sick of looking after my grandchild’
More than half of UK grandparents help with childcare, but not all of them feel appreciated – and some are burnt out.

A rising number of grandparents in the UK are being roped in to help with childcare
Reading the WhatsApp message that popped through on her phone, Linda* felt her hackles rise. “Please don’t give her those fruit-flavoured yogurts you buy,” it read. “They’re full of sugar. Please limit her screen time to 30 minutes max per day, and that includes iPad and TV. Ideally get her out in the morning, so she can have some (screen-free) downtime in the afternoon. Things like fish fingers and pesto pasta are fairly processed and salty, so avoid if possible. We like her to eat meals cooked from scratch ideally.”

Linda isn’t a nanny, nor a childminder. She’s a 66-year-old former teacher, who has spent a career in the classroom and raised three healthy and successful children of her own. “The way my daughter-in-law speaks to me, however, you’d think I didn’t have a clue how to care for a child.”

The child in question is Linda’s three-year-old granddaughter who she started looking after three days a week when her son and his wife left London and moved back to his home town last December. Making Linda part of the “grandparent economy” – the army of UK grandparents who provide free childcare, saving their adult children a small fortune in the process. Studies show this ramps up during the summer and Christmas holidays. “As well as childcare, I’m often called upon to babysit in the evening if they’re meeting friends or if they have a work party, especially around Christmas time,” says Linda. “Local babysitters charge around £10 an hour, so it makes sense I guess.”

New data from the financial services company SunLife found that 59 per cent of UK grandparents help with childcare, a rise from 52 per cent in 2023, saving their children an average of £13,500 per year.

The UK has the second most expensive childcare system, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), with a full-time nursery place for an under-two coming in at £300 per week on average. Meanwhile, the recent increases to the employers’ National Insurance rate and wage rises mean that many nurseries and pre-schools face potential closure, according to the Early Years Alliance.

Grandparents like Linda are expected to pick up the pieces. “When my son announced they were having a baby in 2020 I was thrilled, and when they decided to move out of London last year, even more so,” she says. “They were paying a fortune for their nursery in London, and so I offered to help take care of my granddaughter, who up until then I only saw on occasional weekends or family get-togethers. My husband has a few health issues and he’s less mobile than me. I’ve always been fit and active, and I like keeping busy, so initially I was happy to do it. However, I soon found myself committing to two, and then three days a week of all-day childcare.”

On those days, Linda is expected to arrive at her son and daughter-in-law’s at 8am sharp. “I overslept once and arrived 15 minutes late. My daughter-in-law tried to be polite, but you could tell she was annoyed. My son called me later that evening to tell me I made her late for work. However, they sometimes call to say they’re going to be late home, and I don’t say a thing.”

Linda’s days are spent at local play groups, feeding, tidying and making sure nap time runs like clockwork, before getting her granddaughter bathed and ready for bed for 7pm when the couple arrive home from work. She estimates she spends about £100 a month on petrol costs, lunches out, playgroups (where you still pay in cash) and hot chocolates. “I don’t mind, of course, and I’d never expect my son to reimburse me. But I would appreciate a bunch of flowers now and then, or to be treated to a nice meal out. I also get very tired. I arrive home at around 7.30pm after a day spent with my granddaughter, and I’m exhausted.

“They’re far more caught up in rules than my husband and I ever were. Everything is so structured. My granddaughter can’t have sugar, and goes to various ballet, dance and music classes, when I’d much rather take her to feed the ducks or just cuddle up at home in front of a cartoon. But screens are limited, and sugar is banned. Which is all very well, and comes with good intentions, but the fact is I’m saving them a fortune in nursery fees, so you’d think they’d let it go. I’m starting to feel very resentful and some days I want to tell them I’m not doing it anymore. But then I see how hard they both work, how stressed they are about their mortgage, and how desperately they want another baby, and I can’t do it.”

Illo
‘Everything is so structured... I would much rather take my granddaughter to feed the ducks’ Credit: Tom Peake
A second baby would be a much longed for addition to the family, but Linda admits it would also bring other issues: “I’m not sure I could look after a newborn baby and a toddler at my age,” she says. “I’m 67 in February, and I get very tired. Days spent kneeling down on dusty, hard floors in church halls, playing with playdough and finger painting take their toll. I keep working up the courage to tell my son I may have to step back when a new baby arrives, but I haven’t managed it yet.”

Linda has noticed lots of other grandparents at these groups. “We chat among ourselves and many feel like me,” she says. “A few don’t have a bad word to say about the arrangement and love it. But many more feel the way I do. Which is that while we enjoy spending time with our much-loved grandchildren, we sometimes feel put upon and taken for granted. Silly rules about sugar irk us, as do comments about nap times. We’ve raised children before, for God’s sake. We know what we’re doing.”

The SunLife study also found that UK grandparents save parents £1.3 billion a week in childcare costs over school holidays, which is another bone of contention for Linda.

“My granddaughter hasn’t started school yet, so I don’t have to look after her over the six-week school summer holidays. But holidays are another thing I feel resentful about. My son will WhatsApp on our family group to let us know when they’re booking their family holiday. The implication being we should book the same week off, to avoid me not being around for childcare when they return. Things will get easier when she starts school of course, although I imagine I’ll be back at the school gates doing the drop offs and pick-ups three days a week, along with school coffee mornings and God knows what else I’ll be asked to do.

“I know I must sound awful. I love my granddaughter more than anything, and we’ve developed a wonderful bond from spending so much time together. But there are times when I wish I could just be her grandma, not the person telling her off for not sharing at playgroup, or for not eating her greens – another thing her mother reminds me to do.

“But more than anything, I long for my days back. Before my son left London, I spent time in my garden, met friends for lunch and swam twice a week at my local leisure centre. I didn’t realise until it was too late how much those things meant to me – and how good they were for my wellbeing and health. You hear about parental burnout all the time, and how exhausted parents are. But nobody gives much thought to grandparents like me behind the scenes who are providing childcare in their 60s and 70s. We love our grandchildren, but some of us are burnt out too. But we’re too fearful of upsetting our children to say anything.”

Cateq Wed 18-Dec-24 20:44:03

My own DM didn’t live long enough to see any of her 9 GCs or her 6 great gcs. So why I’m glad to have the opportunity to spend time with them

Cateq Wed 18-Dec-24 20:42:19

I’m more than happy to look after our 2 GDs a few days a week. I believe I’m paying it forward as my DMiL looked after my kids when they were young. My own DGM looked after me, my brothers and 2 cousins as both my DM and my Aunt were both widowed at a young age.