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Katek Mon 17-Mar-25 10:28:40

My brother and I were chatting yesterday and the following came up in our conversation. Neither of us could remember formula so short of drawing it on graph paper and counting each little square we're stumped.

A farmer's cow is tied to a rope staked on the edge of a circular field of grass. He wants the cow to eat exactly half the grass in the field. What is the equation that computes the length of the rope (x) so that the cow eats exactly half grass?

My grey cells are a bit sluggish - it is a Monday morning! Anybody more alert?grin

jocork Wed 19-Mar-25 04:02:08

I considered asking my son, who lectures in mathematics at a university. However I don't expect I would understand his explanation, assuming he could answer, so I haven't bothered. When he was completing his PhD he sent me his thesis to read. Sadly the only bit that made sense to me was the acknowledgements! I know my limitations!

Allira Tue 18-Mar-25 22:42:34

AN41

Build a straight fence across the middle and let the poor cow loose, else it'll have starved to death by the time we lot figure it out. ๐Ÿ˜‰

It's ok, it's been rustled while we were trying to work it out.

Allira Tue 18-Mar-25 22:41:25

Luckygirl3

NOW I remember why I hated maths at school! All so blooming pointless.

Just put a fence across to confine the cow to half the field!

Well, it's not pointless because we use Maths in some form or other every day.
However, perhaps some Maths is more relevant and useful than other Maths.
As I don't have a cow, this is not really elevant to me! ๐Ÿ˜‚

AN41 Tue 18-Mar-25 22:22:17

Build a straight fence across the middle and let the poor cow loose, else it'll have starved to death by the time we lot figure it out. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Luckygirl3 Tue 18-Mar-25 22:16:31

NOW I remember why I hated maths at school! All so blooming pointless.

Just put a fence across to confine the cow to half the field!

Allira Tue 18-Mar-25 22:13:51

Katek

Oh that kind of grass.........

wink๐Ÿ˜‚

Katek Tue 18-Mar-25 22:11:52

Oh that kind of grass.........

Allira Tue 18-Mar-25 21:40:37

Nibbles44

Goats can jump & climb & chew through ropes, so it must be a chain! Why would anyone have a circular field in the first place, or want it to eat only half the grass, or why they would want a crescent of grass left? Can't I simply move the stake to the middle of the circle & make the length of rope half the radius?

Has the cow metamorphosed into a goat?

Perhaps there was something in the grass. ๐Ÿ„๐Ÿ

Elegran Tue 18-Mar-25 21:14:18

I can't remember much at all about any of the maths I was exposed to. At one time I could still prove with the appropriate diagrams that pythagoras theorem was true for any right-angled triangle, not just the easy 3-4-5 one and the other easy one (the sides of that now escape me, too, as well as the proof) I can still argue convincingly, given a long enough piece of string, that it is useful in the Real World if you are stranded on a desert island and want to build a house that doesn't have unsquare rooms.

growstuff Tue 18-Mar-25 21:03:19

Elegran

pen50 Sorry but I disagree with you. I think multiplying would work better than dividing, as the bit marked out by what the cow can reach while her tether is 35% of the diameter will be less than the 50% that she is supposed to be eating. I am trying to draw and post a diagram of what I mean but so far not succeeding.

I think you need to use sine because the area will be the same size as two segments of the circle. The area is relatively simple to calculate, but I can't remember much about trigonometry.

DrWatson Tue 18-Mar-25 20:50:05

You and your brother need to find some other topics of conversation?!

Nibbles44 Tue 18-Mar-25 20:12:11

Goats can jump & climb & chew through ropes, so it must be a chain! Why would anyone have a circular field in the first place, or want it to eat only half the grass, or why they would want a crescent of grass left? Can't I simply move the stake to the middle of the circle & make the length of rope half the radius?

Elegran Tue 18-Mar-25 18:38:36

Blinko

And the application in the real world isโ€ฆ.?

There isn't one, Blinko It is purely to exercise the brain and keep it on its toes, just as going to the gym and doing repetitive movements has no application in the real world and is purely to exercise the body and keep it on its toes.

Elegran Tue 18-Mar-25 18:34:31

pen50 Sorry but I disagree with you. I think multiplying would work better than dividing, as the bit marked out by what the cow can reach while her tether is 35% of the diameter will be less than the 50% that she is supposed to be eating. I am trying to draw and post a diagram of what I mean but so far not succeeding.

Blinko Tue 18-Mar-25 18:26:10

And the application in the real world isโ€ฆ.?

pen50 Tue 18-Mar-25 16:58:26

The rope should be one half of the diameter of the field divided by the square root of two - approximately 35% of the diameter.

AuntieE Tue 18-Mar-25 16:45:55

Mogsmaw

I remember this from school. The maths teacher concluded it was a problem for advanced mathematics and not something we could solve at school. I suspected then, as I do now, that he hadnโ€™t the skills to solve it!

I am a hearty fan of education, but honestly, some of the things we were taught ! Yours is a good example.

Mine is as follows: the whole class sent out to the pavement in front of the school armed with the blackboard ruler and protractor to calculate the distance the sun is from the earth.

Now why would even a maths mistress feel that every one of a class of 24 girls would either as schoolgirls or as adults find a use for this piece of information?

And if we did need it, I never have, we could have found the answer in any encyclopedia!

Allira Tue 18-Mar-25 16:40:47

I know of some cows that jumped over an electric fence and escaped.

4allweknow Tue 18-Mar-25 16:11:24

Just erect an electric fence across the middle, use a compass to find the middle. It's easy when you don't know howwink

Elegran Tue 18-Mar-25 16:04:50

If he tethers them to stakes opposite each other on the edge of the field, they will each eat a half-circle from where they are tied. Then he can move both their tethers to points at right angles to their first points, so that they can each eat the uneaten grass in the bits outside the semicircles they were eating first.

Maybe he can charge the rightful owner of the second cow for the grass that it has eaten, and use the money to pay for all the extra stakes and rope he has had to buy, and to pay the labourer with a hammer who banged the stakes in.

hedgehog5 Tue 18-Mar-25 14:11:54

He gets/borrows another cow. He tethers both to the stake in the middle of the circle of grass - and lets them sort it out. If they get their ropes tangled - then tough luck, they are after all imaginary cows.

Barleyfields Mon 17-Mar-25 23:05:37

It is very cruel to tether the cow, so if I call the RSPCA they will take it away. End of problem.

Moonwatcher1904 Mon 17-Mar-25 22:19:37

Grannynannywanny

Youโ€™ve got me stumped. I think Iโ€™d leave the cow in the adjoining field. Cut the grass on half the field, rake it up and throw it over the hedge ๐Ÿ˜€

I love your answer Grannynannywanny....smile

Allira Mon 17-Mar-25 22:04:20

Buttercup says she's thoroughly fed up, lonely and needs to be milked.
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Elegran Mon 17-Mar-25 20:39:55

It doesn't give the length of the rope, so it could be longer than the radius The exact half doesn't need to end at a straight line, it could be a curve. If it goes over the diameter line at the centre, it could compensate by not stretching as far as the line at the edges.