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Conspiracy Theory anyone?

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Namsnanny Tue 18-Mar-25 14:10:21

There has been much discussion on the book Becoming Brigitte by Xavier Possard.

Based on a conspiracy theory, being thoroughly researched by several French journalists, culminating in this book.

For those yet in in the know, the author Possard sets out in his book a timeline of events to prove that Brigitte Macron is a trans woman ie born a man transitioned to a woman.

Met Macron as a 14year old school boy, whilst living as a woman and his teacher.

If anyone has read it, what are your views?

Here are some more to jog your memories.

JFK murdered by Mossad/CIA/Mafia
Covid came from a lab leak in Wuhan
Mrna vaccines leak foreign DNA into our bodies
Moon Landings are faked
Michelle Obama is also a transitioned man.
Barack Obama is having an affair with Jennifer Anniston (although I'm not sure if this is just classed as a rumour ).
The world is flat
CO2 is heating up the world
We have been invaded by Aliens (UFO type) who look like lizards
4/5G damages human DNA
GM plants will infest natural plants

to name a few.

Are there any others I don't know about and haven't listed here?

Is it purely the weight of evidence which sways a reader to decided such-and-such is no longer a conspiracy?

Or the weight of authority ie The King/Prim Minister/expert now believe this so I must rethink it also?

Or time passing, so the event in question no longer has the political strength to prevent or encourage a certain outcome?

More interestingly, is there a position once considered a conspiracy theory, that you held but later on changed your mind?

In chat because it could be interesting and lighthearted.
Not argumentative or political, but who knows this is GN grin

Jaxjacky Wed 19-Mar-25 20:29:00

Very good Churchview
I read that article in France24 too MOnica sounds about right.
I know someone wh believes in many of these theories and won’t leave the house of there are con trails from planes in the sky. She believes they are dropping chemicals to brainwash people and sent by the government, she’s never had, as an adult, any vaccinations (they put chips under your skin) and spends her life in a state of high anxiety., it’s very sad.

escaped Wed 19-Mar-25 20:24:12

I'm interested how you think Macron is part Jewish, Monica? His genealogy, and family name, certainly points to Picardie, north of Paris, which in turn denotes clear Christian roots, possibly Catholic. I think I remember his paternal great great grandfather was born in Bristol. Other than the fact that his name, Emmanuel, is of Hebrew origin, I know of no other Jewish connection. Do you have a link for his Jewish heritage please?
I do know that Gabriel Attal, the former French Prime Minister, is part Jewish though.

Milest0ne Wed 19-Mar-25 19:58:36

I can debunk the theory that the earth is flat. It is Square.****
I have been to all four corners.

M0nica Wed 19-Mar-25 19:27:46

This attack on BM is actually part of a wider anti-semitic trope in French politics. Macron himself is part Jewish and this unwarranted and unpleasant attack on BM is a way of attacking Macron himself and his Jewish heritage.

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 18:59:04

I do not believe for one millisecond that BM was born male!

She was married before and had three children, unless her pregnancies were all fabricated and her children adopted?? But why??

Ilovedogs22 Wed 19-Mar-25 17:23:32

midgey

The quote is from Hamlet… not sure it helps your cause!

I need every bit of help I can get midgey! Thank you. 😊👍🐝

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 16:50:26

BlueBelle

Who cares who’s a man or who’s a woman as long as they both know what’s what and who’s who
Can’t be bothered with conspiracy theories people believe what they want to believe like now a lot of people don’t think the stranded astronauts have even been out of US 🤣

You have to laugh as some of them were/are hilarious!

I once saw a very long list of famous people who (last claimed) were actually dead and had been cloned and replaced….
Not really sure why!

Gizzy48 Wed 19-Mar-25 16:46:36

love0c

I know a journalist of a very well known newspaper and they informed me that they had seen photographic evidence to prove that she was born a man. Were the photos fake? Who knows. I most definitely believe the journalist though. They were not allowed to publish them.

Very well-known newspaper? Or very well-respected newspaper?

I suspect the former!

Cossy Wed 19-Mar-25 16:44:48

love0c

Namsnanny I believe my friend that they have seen photos. But were they real? Photos can be altered. In my opinion the one of Prince Andrew with the young girl looked fake to me.

Well then I have to ask the question, why did he pay her??

Retroladywriting Wed 19-Mar-25 16:36:22

Dearknees1

The weight of evidence leads me and many othersto believe that JFK’s murder was orchestrated by the CIA. Does that make me a conspiracy theorist in the same category as those who believe we have been invaded by lizard like aliens? I think not.

That was the point I was making about Covid and Wuhan. Thinking that one event has been covered up does not make anyone a Conspiracy Theorist in the same league as, for example, David Icke and his Lizard people.

Retroladywriting Wed 19-Mar-25 16:34:31

For what it's worth, I've always thought that the most likely scenario for the initial outbreak of Covid was an accidental lab leak in Wuhan. I don't think that makes me a conspiracy theorist though - does it? The other CTs listed in the OP are just so much rubbish though and listing them as such just feeds those who believe it all. The thing with the Covid outbreak is that, unlike the other CTS, knowing might help prevent a further pandemic.

AuntieE Wed 19-Mar-25 16:24:15

I cannot believe it is necessary to be rude, because you don't agree with someone!

OP does not say she believes any of all this. I understand her to be starting a discussion about a phenomenon, and asking how we decide whether something we are told is factual, or is a conspiracy theory.

So, I shall answer as best I can.

Conspiracy theories have always struck me as predominantly an American phenomenon. Whether they are or not, the common factor is that those who endorse them NEVER provide factual evidence that we can verify or falsify.

That is why they are called theories. The conspiracy comes into play because these theories, have either been disproved, such as the Flat Earth theory by scientists, or because no-one has yet managed to provide factual evidence for them.

When scientific or academic proof becomes available, we will be at liberty to move the theory away from the conspiracy label into whatever branch of science is applicable.

There are undoubtabley people who believe anything they are told or read online or in a newspaper or book.

I don't happen to be one of them, so I tend to shake my head in disbelief at what people accept as true although no proof has been vouchsafed.

Redactrice Wed 19-Mar-25 15:54:06

Maybe you should ask her three children about this?

Applegran Wed 19-Mar-25 15:15:17

I have not read the whole thread, but as I understood it, the OP was interested in other people's thoughts about conspiracy theories, which is quite interesting, though I won't actually spend much time reflecting on it. But I hope the OP has felt ok as she read some of the responses. In my mind it was an OK question to ask, and if it does not interest others, then that too is OK.

Etoile2701 Wed 19-Mar-25 14:48:12

I despair!

Dearknees1 Wed 19-Mar-25 14:45:56

The weight of evidence leads me and many othersto believe that JFK’s murder was orchestrated by the CIA. Does that make me a conspiracy theorist in the same category as those who believe we have been invaded by lizard like aliens? I think not.

Earthmother9 Wed 19-Mar-25 14:08:33

I keep an open mind on everything, except the war in Gaza.

Quizzy Wed 19-Mar-25 12:29:33

Sorry, not familiar with Chat. Tried to add my approval of maps explain/support flat earth theory. Liked and was amused.

Quizzy Wed 19-Mar-25 12:24:35

Great explanation, supports theory!

kircubbin2000 Wed 19-Mar-25 10:41:26

I've heard that Australia is not a real place.

Namsnanny Wed 19-Mar-25 01:46:06

Looking good is always relevant smile

NotSpaghetti Tue 18-Mar-25 22:30:27

Do you feel strongly about either the trans movement or BM?.

No I don't feel strongly.
If people are transgender it doesn't impact me. I feel "live and let live" to be honest.

Brigitte Macron is of no interest really - except in a casual way. I do think she always looks good though! Not sure that's relevant.

Churchview Tue 18-Mar-25 20:23:13

In a one man protest against ridiculous conspiracy theories my husband devised on of his own. Over the years he's told his theory to many people in response to having to suffer hearing their own theories. Then once, to his delight, a complete stranger at a party relayed DH's conspiracy theory to him almost verbatim and as though it were absolute fact. Thus proving how these things go around and around.

So here it is. The London Underground doesn't exist. It's a money making exercise by the government via London Transport. You buy a ticket, walk along a series of corridors and escalators, get into a fake carriage which wobbles about a bit, makes a noise, lights flash. There are even fake delays to convince you it's real. You get off, do walk a considerable distance again, some escalating more walking and finally pop up out of the tunnel to the street at your destination. The whole journey has been done on your own two feet.

Remember you heard it here first.

Namsnanny Tue 18-Mar-25 19:17:02

Casdon

I don’t understand why people care about these things. What difference would it make to us who Macron or Obama were married to - none whatsoever to me, it doesn’t affect their ability to do their jobs. I’ve never heard a conspiracy theory yet that is worth following, I must be a cynic.

I must be a cynic
If so is that such a bad thing? It is always good to keep questioning.

Honestly no one cares what people do, provided it doesn't harm others.

Surely that's the standard.
Does this behaviour harm anyone?

If we don't get to know something approximately calling itself the truth about a person, how are we to know what harm is happening?

Namsnanny Tue 18-Mar-25 19:08:34

Galaxy

I don't think it is necessary to invent conspiracy theories about her, you just repeat the details of how they met.

This