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A Karen - Time to Stop

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Musicgirl Tue 25-Mar-25 09:15:40

On MN at the moment, there is a very interesting discussion on the lazy, misogynistic and ageist use of it name Karen to describe an older lady who is not afraid to stand up for herself. As Karen was a very popular name for girls born in the fifties and sixties, it is exactly targeted at the demographic of most of us here. There is no male equivalent. It is also upsetting for ladies called Karen. I would be interested in your thoughts, especially if your name is Karen or you have been insulted by being called a Karen

Blossoming Wed 02-Apr-25 12:35:53

You go Maw,

Redblueandgreen Tue 01-Apr-25 16:32:36

What’s the relevance of being Christian Diolomat?

Redblueandgreen Tue 01-Apr-25 16:30:44

Ilovedogs22 love it!

silverlining48 Tue 01-Apr-25 16:25:33

Easy. Expect there are many women like you describe, but they will all have different names, so why do they pick on Karen.
Worse still the more it’s repeated the longer it will be until this nonsense ends.

eazybee Tue 01-Apr-25 14:42:33

It was used to describe the sense of entitlement that the “Karens” had in telling people off, for no good reason.

I know this is part of a quote referring to the harassment of black women by white women, but it perfectly describes a Karen I know, who creates upset and resentment wherever she goes, quite indiscriminately, but thinks she is a paragon of virtue.

rafichagran Tue 01-Apr-25 10:59:41

When my son played in the under 11's football team, they used to call boys Norman's. They were the boys who were a bit slower.
It was not nice but I don't hear it so much these days.

Esmay Tue 01-Apr-25 10:49:13

Extraordinary prejudice against anyone called Karen !
I know one Karen ,who has passed .
She was a loud and opinionated about politics ,but always very nice to me .
Now I know two Karens-both very different and both very sweet in entirely contrasting ways .
I treasure their friendship with me .

WelwynWitch3 Tue 01-Apr-25 10:17:22

Named my daughter Karen in 1975, it was the only name I could get my husband to agree to! I dislike the references to ‘Karen’ as something degrading. My daughter has a Masters and three degrees in health and paramedicine and there are probably many more Karens with degrees in many subjects.

sazz1 Wed 26-Mar-25 23:13:51

Yes I've been called Karen a few times when I've put comments on current affairs sites. I'm quite opinionated and not afraid to put my opinion out there regardless of who disagrees with it.
Am I upset about it? No not at all. I'm entitled to my opinion the same as everyone else.
I'm secure in knowing that I'm a kind, caring person who has always helped others in need.
I like myself for who I am. If others have a problem with my opinion that's their problem not mine. I'm not really bothered lol.

kazziecookie Wed 26-Mar-25 21:37:16

Allira

kazziecookie

Well the anti-Karen brigade members certainly show the level of their intelligence in the notice banning Karen's (sic) from the store.

Yes, I've seen derogatory posts on our local FB page in the UK.

I live in Wales U.K. and there have been several Karen comments and posts on my local FB page.
But being on a worldwide group of Karens I see things that other Karens see and the ones in the US definitely get it the most.

Diplomat Wed 26-Mar-25 20:40:35

Sick and tired of the 'Essex' references. I am a retired, professional woman, family to be proud of, lovely house, Christian. And yes I live in Essex.

Millie22 Wed 26-Mar-25 20:19:35

There is also a game called Karen which is based on 1 star reviews.

Very strange.

Allira Wed 26-Mar-25 19:48:43

kazziecookie

Well the anti-Karen brigade members certainly show the level of their intelligence in the notice banning Karen's (sic) from the store.

Yes, I've seen derogatory posts on our local FB page in the UK.

silverlining48 Wed 26-Mar-25 19:26:21

Kazzycookie are you in the US or UK? Rather think US.

silverlining48 Wed 26-Mar-25 19:23:27

I don’t think many people I know know about this nonsense and I have not had anything derogatory said to me.
It’s best ignored and not given the oxygen of debate. 4 pages of GN is quite enough,
There’s me being bossy. grin

4allweknow Wed 26-Mar-25 18:29:14

Needs to stop, dot!

kazzie19 Wed 26-Mar-25 17:49:10

I am Karen too, have been for over 60 years and don't really like my name. Never have (thanks Mum!). But there's not much i can do about it and this 'don't be a Karen' thing is really tiresome and needs to slope off and die in a dark corner of the internet somewhere. I've not responded to any feeds or comments (this is the first time!) as i get the impression that to defend or deny any Karen comments will leave it wide open for even more ridicule and insults. I try to ignore the jibes but sometimes i wish they'd pick on someone else. I know some fabulous Karens and most of us don't deserve this. I hope it goes away soon.....

kazziecookie Wed 26-Mar-25 17:47:06

My name is Karen and the last few years having that name has not been pleasant.
I can no longer have an opinion on the internet on any subject without someone closing me down, with comments like “shut the F up Karen. “ “sit down Karen” “oh look we have a real life Karen here”.
I daily see videos of so called ‘Karens” behaving badly. There are T-shirts and mugs etc with not funny Karen slogans on them. There have been a couple of Karen movies made. There are ugly Karen Halloween masks. People often see this as funny, but it is not funny if it happens to be the name my beautiful parents gave me 68 years ago.
I am in a Facebook support group of over 2000 Karens worldwide who are struggling with our name being used this way.
Plus it does spread into our real lives. I have had people laugh to my face when I have told them my name, and one of my online Karen friend had had death threats.
It also affects relatives of women named Karen. I know of a school girl that was bullied because her mums name is Karen.

Baggs Wed 26-Mar-25 15:52:48

According to a names dictionary we have Karen is the Danish form of Catherine.

"A Karen" is that google definition - a completely different fish (or kettle thereof) so no-one needs to get confused.

🙃

cookiemonster66 Wed 26-Mar-25 15:47:31

according to google :- "Karen" is a pejorative term used online to describe a perceived entitled, demanding, and unreasonable, often middle-aged white woman, who uses her perceived privilege to get her way

Baggs Wed 26-Mar-25 15:45:56

Cossy

NannaFirework

I’m a Karen born in 1960 and used to be so shy…standing up (politely for oneself or others ) is nothing to be ashamed of but it gets me when rude, impolite people are called ‘Karen’s’ !

It’s normally used to describe a woman “complaining” or “objecting” to things they find rude and offensive, rather than them being rude.

Like Victoria Gillick in the 70s?

Cossy Wed 26-Mar-25 15:40:29

NannaFirework

I’m a Karen born in 1960 and used to be so shy…standing up (politely for oneself or others ) is nothing to be ashamed of but it gets me when rude, impolite people are called ‘Karen’s’ !

It’s normally used to describe a woman “complaining” or “objecting” to things they find rude and offensive, rather than them being rude.

Cossy Wed 26-Mar-25 15:38:17

grandMattie

I thought a Karen was an Essex girl!

Really! That’s Sharon 😂😂😂

Baggs Wed 26-Mar-25 15:33:00

Tanjamaltija

A right proper Charlie.
A Holy Joe
A Nellie...

Yes, and I'm sure there are more. Shrugtastic.

Baggs Wed 26-Mar-25 15:32:10

Does anyone on this thread actually know anyone who uses such terms as 'Karen' and 'Kevin' in the ways described? I know of the terms but only because they've been reported in the media. Anyone who used such a term of me is not someone whose opinion I would care about. As for feeling offended, why be offended by something so childishly silly?