Harry’s over for a Court case but not to see his Papa. 🤔

I’m puzzled by his submission that he was “forced to step back from a position as a working royal” because of the change to his security arrangements.

Surely it happened the other way about?

Now Jane43, don’t be adding reality to any outraged discussion on H and M

TerriBull

I think Harry is very like the Spencer side of the family, in particular, Diana's sister Sarah I can see a strong resemblance there. I think he's inherited Diana's long legs and her hands, The King has noticeably very puffy fingers. We are all a composite of two sides of a family with throwbacks to previous genetic traits.

I'm wondering what Harry and Meghan did as far as security was concerned on their quasi state like, and completely unnecessary "bigged" up visits to Colombia and Nigeria, two countries that wouldn't be deemed particularly safe.

When they went to Nigeria all security costs were paid by the Nigerian government and when they went to Colombia the security was arranged and funded by the Vice President.

Would she want to meet her in-laws again after the Oprah interview

Will it make any difference to their attitude to the UK if he wins? Meghan has allegedly said she never wants to set foot here again. She doesn’t hesitate when it comes to burning bridges so Harry will probably make any future visits alone.

There don’t seem to be any security issues with the flying visits he already makes so please find somewhere else to stamp your feet, Harry and stop wasting taxpayer’s money.

The "paparazzi chase" in New York was overblown yes, however the NYPD later said in writing that a review had concluded that the behavior of the paparazzi was "reckless." It said the paparazzi showed "reckless disregard of vehicle and traffic laws." Displayed "persistently dangerous and unacceptable behaviour," operated vehicles, scooters, and bicycles in a way that forced the security team (including an NYPD lead car) to take evasive actions.

It also said that paparazzi created situations where the security team had to take circuitous routes to avoid being struck or trapped.
Based on this review, the NYPD concluded there was "sufficient evidence to arrest two individuals for *reckless endangerment.*"

That said, no arrests were ever made.

I don't like the way H&M have behaved but I do think we shouldn't blame them for everything.
The taxi driver didn't feel at risk and really what stupid idea was in their heads when they exited the building via the front doors?

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Anniebach

He is not a foreign celebrity or a head of state

No Anniebach - and he didn't say he was. I'm trying to explain his argument in that a risk assessment wasn't made and that was odd given he us a well known figure.

I assume they had their own security, funded by themselves Terribull

I notice the paparazzi chase in New York was brought up yesterday, I thought that was all deemed a storm in a teacup at the time?

I think Harry is very like the Spencer side of the family, in particular, Diana's sister Sarah I can see a strong resemblance there. I think he's inherited Diana's long legs and her hands, The King has noticeably very puffy fingers. We are all a composite of two sides of a family with throwbacks to previous genetic traits.

I'm wondering what Harry and Meghan did as far as security was concerned on their quasi state like, and completely unnecessary "bigged" up visits to Colombia and Nigeria, two countries that wouldn't be deemed particularly safe.

What a hole he’s got himself in. I disliked everything he and M did and the brutal way they did it. Never thought I would say this but I pity him. New friends do not make up for loss of his whole family, his way of life and his interests..How can he live the rest of his life with his batty wife, the only member of her whole family she has not estranged except her mother (yet). He heeds to build bridges and apologise.

He is not a foreign celebrity or a head of state

When people are estranged they do not meet. Plenty of estrangement stories on GN.

The "Red Earl," John Spencer, 5th Earl Spencer,(1835-1910) was known for his distinctive long red beard and was a close friend of Prime Minister William Gladstone.

There are plenty of portraits of him online showing his magnificent red hair and beard. It shows just how far back red hair goes in the Spencer family.

Deedaa he isn't complaining that he's been treated differently.

What he's complaining about is the "bespoke" and unusual way they came to the decision which was unlike the decision making process for (say) a foreign celebrity or head of state.

"singled out for different, unjustified and inferior treatment" in a decision to downgrade the level of security he receives in the UK BBC

He is saying they did not make a risk assessment, and should have.

So Harry is complaining that he is being treated differently when it comes to security. I thought that he left the country because he wanted to be treated differently.

Diana was in love before the Hewitt affair

Anniebach

One tale claims he left the hospital as soon as Harry was born,

Andrew Morton book said after taking Diana home.

Much later research found he had a charity commitment that
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Before the days of paternity leave!

I remember DH going straight back to work, then a couple of weeks later going overseas for four months.
Work did tend to get in the way in those olden days.

Everyone knows that cancer patients need to avoid stress. As Harry is so volatile, if I had been Charles I would definitely have wanted to avoid any scenes or confrontation when I'd only just left hospital. He wanted to go home for a quiet peaceful evening, and quite right too.

Harry flew over here on impulse without thinking of his debilitated his father must feel. I could be wrong but it's my view he was doing it for the optics.

Harry is not the child of James Hewiit

Regarding who Harry looks like - in recent times I think Harry is looking more and more like King Charles, he most definitely has the same close-set eyes.

One tale claims he left the hospital as soon as Harry was born,

Andrew Morton book said after taking Diana home.

Much later research found he had a charity commitment that
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On one of the many programmes about Princess Diana it was shown that after Charles had picked Diana and baby Harry up from the hospital he drove them home and left almost immediately to go and play polo. Perhaps things like that play a part in the estrangement.

I don’t think we should pay for his security. He left because he couldn’t get what his brother has got and flounced off. This recent issue with Sentebale shows how unpleasant he is. It was well covered up by the family for many years. I don’t entirely blame Meghan Markle although she undoubtedly winds him up. I think, from what I have read over the years, he has always been a problem.
I don’t think he looks anything like Prince Phillip. He does look like the Spencer’s but then there are no doubts about Diana being his mother.

Who pays for their protection in America? They do I guess. So shouldn’t they do the same here?

Boz

The sight of his smug face going into Court made my blood boil. Talk about over-privilege.
We don’t see him as part of the British Royal family - him and his wife have said extremely unpleasant things about our Royal family and we certainly don’t want to pay for him to be safe when he comes here - stay away

I couldn’t have put it better myself.

Boz

I have no interest in Royal family personal dynamics. All that interests me is that this over-privileged professional 'victim' is trying to obtain more privileges from this Country, to the taxpayers expenses.
Never mind. If he loses he can always depend on 'jam tomorrow'.

This case has cost the British taxpayer £500,000 so far!