Harry’s over for a Court case but not to see his Papa. 🤔

100% agree David49 @ 08.12

'oh heck, he's (Prince Harry) not going to like that' i thought as the ruling on his case came in. I was not surprised then at the subsequent interview. I only caught bits of it and as it caused much comment i watched it in full. Wow! I found it chilling. I think he chose his words deliberately, to cause the most hurt/hares running. They were not the words of someone seeking reconciliation.. His anger, resentment and, someone upthread used the word, malice (to me) were on display.

I will admit i am not a fan of the royal family, but on a human level all i could think was how terribly sad and worrying at the same time that Prince Harry seems to be on a mission to cause as much trouble as possible.

Of course in hindsight things could/should have been handled better, in all quarters. Surely change can only be effected from inside, standing on the other side of the fence throwing stones is (perhaps) just going to make the attacked hunker down.

I totally agree with other on this thread that say he doesn't look a happy man. What will make him happy i wonder?.

I believe it is Archie's 6th birthday today and Harry is on his way to Las Vegas; something to do with a charity connected with his mother?

Anniebach

In one of his many tv interviews.last year he said they would have to apologise.

He will wait a very long time for that to happen.

Do you think he gets out of bed every morning thinking, "Now what can I do today to upset the family apple cart?"
If so, what a waste of your life.

In one of his many tv interviews.last year he said they would have to apologise.

I honestly don’t see the Royal family offering any olive branches Harry has caused too much damage, he estranged himself. He wanted a different life, he took it, if he does come back to the UK it will be with a begging bowl and without the California Duchess.

M0nica

Who says that the RF have not tried to offer an olive branch? If they had no one would be telling - except possibly Prince Harry,- and who says he would accept it.

Olive branches are usually offered after the groundwork has been done, especially in cases like this.

Well put M0nica.
Also, Harry is unlikely to admit an olive branch has been offered, even if that was the case.

Does he not see that the matter of trust, about how he would portray any meetings and what was said at them, must be a cause for concern for the RF?

Who says that the RF have not tried to offer an olive branch? If they had no one would be telling - except possibly Prince Harry,- and who says he would accept it.

Olive branches are usually offered after the groundwork has been done, especially in cases like this.

Will Harry read that and think on?

Somehow I doubt it will happen, sadly. Nursing his grievances keeps him warm, gives him a raison d'être.

And Harry will have much for another book

The article continues -

Once the VE Day commemorations have passed, and the shock of that interview abates, offer hospitality. Not for some resentful 15-minute negotiation but for days or weeks at Balmoral, Sandringham, Windsor. Introduce the small cousins, let the King play with his grandchildren. Attempt warmth and tolerance across the cultural gulf, and all doggedly refuse ever to take offence. Because when you’re strongest and happiest you can be kindest.

Of course there would be costs. Hideous indiscretions, likely monetising of family gossip by the Californian Duchess. Of course the King must avoid conversations turning political or cultural, and so should his heir. Of course family privacy would suffer a lot (there’s never a guarantee that small children will share their toys or that visiting relatives won’t take undesirable selfies).

Naturally, media would be spiteful, but hell, we already were. Of course the visitors might just churlishly throw the goodwill back. But is that a reason not to try?

🤔

Carlotta

Very true Allira; you did! Either way, he's definitely not a happy bunny these days is he! Odd isn't it that the more she bangs on about how happy and loved up they are, the more miserable and desperate he looks!

I did want to be happy for him ☹
Let's face it, he had what he wanted, freedom, a wife who loved him, two bonny children, a lovely home, money, a mission with the Invictus Games and Sentabale - a chance to make a different life.

But he's blown it.

An extract from Libby Purves’s excellent article in The Times today, talking about Harry’s latest interview

He suggested dark secret wrongs, mourned self-exile from his homeland but wanted reconciliation only if his “truth” was acknowledged and demands met. He said that the royal household effectively tried to imprison him and his wife and — clearly for the US market — that if anything happened to them it would damage Britain's reputation

He cited an al-Qaeda threat, without admitting that it followed his own public boast about having killed 25 Taliban. He disgracefully started a hare of speculation by suggesting that the cancer-afflicted King hasn't got long. He said “a duty of care was thrown out the window” and “some want history to repeat itself”: a clear reference to his mother Diana
She died, as nobody ever unkindly reminds him, not by assassination but because, after she refused royal protection, her private driver and detective didn't make her and Dodi Fayed wear seatbelts. Her death was deeply sad and damaged him but it ill-befits him to use it in this way

So yes, the interview was awful: slick with entitlement and ignoring the harm done by his own hostility. And despite his army record no 40-year-old can safely claim to have done “35 years of public service ”.
Can’t improve on it- worth reading the whole thing if you can get it.

Very true Allira; you did! Either way, he's definitely not a happy bunny these days is he! Odd isn't it that the more she bangs on about how happy and loved up they are, the more miserable and desperate he looks!

Probably.

I did say might!

M0nica

Prince Harry was a good soldier and liked and respected by those he worked with, in all ranks. He has shown real concern for those who suffered and were injured in war, especially in Afghanistan, where he served, Hence the Invictus Games.

Unlike his uncle, Prince Andrew, who was in the navy. We have naval friends who told us that PA was as arrogant in the navy as he is now and was cordially disliked.

Was he? Or is that just PR put out. It was the Duke of Edinburgh who started the Invictus Games with Prince William and an aide called Edward Lane Fox. It was given to Harry to try to improve his PR after a series of debacles. It is said that when he ‘served’ in Afghanistan he was heavily protected by Gurkhas.

It is also said that when he travels with Meghan now that Invictus pays him a fee, travel expenses, clothes for Meghan etc etc.

I’ve yet to hear of anybody who served with him call him a brave soldier.

as he approached middle age he might still have become a disgruntled, unhappy man

I'm not sure if he would have. When he was surrounded by happy, positive people, like Chelsy, William, Catherine and his military friends, he was known for being a party animal, very sociable and full of fun. It was only when he met up with the Megan; who herself already had a track record of broken relationships, failed friendships and discord with family members, that he began to change. If you compare photos of him pre megan/post megan; the difference is astonishing. Their relationship rather reminds me of the Archers storyline with Helen and Rob Titchener; love bomb and then start to slowly separate them from their friends and family. For a middle aged woman, she has remarkably few family members, ex colleagues or old friends who have remained in contact. Bit like Rob Titchener.

Andrew hasn’t written a book, given t interviews, I can’t recall
any stories of him bleating ‘ I am only a spare’, he certainly hasn’t told the world of any surgical procedures for his siblings,
unlike Harry who for some strange reason told of William
being circumcised and told the world he had frost bite on his
penis, and even where and when he lost his virginity, which seems was soooo disappointing. He never publicly spoke of his
divorce and ex wife.

Harry didn’t have concerns for fellow soldiers when he told of
his killings in war

But Andrew has never disclosed his private angst
I have no idea if he was arrogant or not.
I certainly do know that Harry is.

M0nica

Prince Harry was a good soldier and liked and respected by those he worked with, in all ranks. He has shown real concern for those who suffered and were injured in war, especially in Afghanistan, where he served, Hence the Invictus Games.

Unlike his uncle, Prince Andrew, who was in the navy. We have naval friends who told us that PA was as arrogant in the navy as he is now and was cordially disliked.

Yes, we do too, one in particular who served in the Falklands with him. He was courageous but also arrogant and never let them forget he was an HRH.

Unfortunately, Harry let his men down and put others in danger when he wrote about his experiences in Afghanistan.

They are both very foolish men.

Prince Harry was a good soldier and liked and respected by those he worked with, in all ranks. He has shown real concern for those who suffered and were injured in war, especially in Afghanistan, where he served, Hence the Invictus Games.

Unlike his uncle, Prince Andrew, who was in the navy. We have naval friends who told us that PA was as arrogant in the navy as he is now and was cordially disliked.

Harry has a choice , he has made his choice now blames everyone but no fault lays with him, can he truly blank out
the hurt he has caused and still causes

It’s easy to say if only he stayed with Chelsey, but perhaps she knew then what we are all seeing now. Neither she nor Cressida Bonus wanted to marry him because he used to rant on even then about his father and brother. Meghan has encouraged him to embrace his nasty side but she isn’t forcing him to do these interviews. He says everything that comes from his mouth not her. Easy to blame the royals, the previous girlfriends, Meghan, etc etc. the fact is he is a nasty piece of work and, from what I’ve red on other sites, has always been but it was well covered up by the palace. They are now reaping the whirlwind of that policy.

TerriBull

Oops Chelsy not Chelsea, I agree Allira, he only has the one expression now, face like thunder. We all have to move on from the second child syndrome, I mean I could go on about never having the new bike haunted I am by it, but my lips remain sealed.....as I quietly hum to myself, Second Hand Rose.

Apparently the third child (if there is one) is the one who is spoilt. That's me 😁