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gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 01:50:40

Just have to whinge sorry. I know there are people worse off than me, but everything is dropping to bits. I have been one step forwards, two step backwards with my knee problems for the last year. Setback last September and never really go going again with walking after that (I can potter in one room a little bit). Using a wheelchair and mobility scooter now. Had a big push to try and get an orthopaedic referral this year, which meant going via physio as GP wouldn't refer. Physio exercises stopped me walking at all! I had pain after them every time. So I have spent a large part of the time mostly on top of the bed this year. Apart from occasional pottering in one room then resting.

I still have an undiagnosed right rib cage problem. Something goes big time if I bend over - then I can't move at all - takes a few weeks to settle again.

But aside from this I felt quite well in myself.

Physio still wouldn't refer me to Orthopaedics. said they won't do surgery because of your age (it's not arthritis so not eligible for knee replacements). I'm mid sixties - not old! And that I was "deconditioned" - muscles.

Which is really annoying because of course I'm deconditioned because I didn't get to see orthopaedics early enough and can't walk!

Anyway I bit the bullet recently and phoned Southampton NHS cartilage clinic to ask if there was an age limit for stem cell injections (cartilage repair). Spoke to a Consultant's secretary who was very helpful and said it is usually younger patients but there's no age limit as such but it would depend on all kinds of criteria. I told her I can't walk and can't get surgery and she seemed to be quite helpful then and said - ask for a referral and we'll consider you. GP won't refer me.

So my long shot was - keep going to the NHS physio, get them to refer me to Orthopaedics and then get Orthopaedics to refer me to Southampton.

Success! Last week I pushed and said Southampton said to get a referral. Physio gave way and said ok I'll refer you to orthopaedics. But she also gave me two new physio exercises to do.

Well that was a disaster. Any positive success was short-lived. I kept telling her I have this right side rib problem but they said you're only referred for your knees.

This new exercise involved pushing my middle up off the bed. I did what I was told and did it a couple of times while there. Well it felt like my rib cage had dislocated afterwards. I was right back to square one with torn muscles, pain everywhere and couldn't move. So was stuck in bed immobile for a week.

Right over Easter week-end. Then the first time I stood up to get out of bed to go to the loo (I can walk that far, it's next to the bedroom). My right foot was suddenly incredibly painful and I couldn't put it down.

I also have a bad left foot. So that's two knackered knees, a knackered left foot, knackered right rib cage. And now a knackered right foot as well.

Been to A&E for an x ray - possibly a stress fracture but it won't show up straight away so have to go back in a couple of weeks.

That just about finished me off as I can't even stand on it now! Stuck back in bed again getting more muscle wastage. And probably need a commode.

I just really want to get out of the bedroom! I haven't quite worked out how I can do anything without standing on it.

Orthopaedic appointment for knees is next week and I can't even stand to get from a wheelchair to an examination couch!

Anyway I'm not one to feel sorry for myself. And I don't but it's a bit scary not being able to stand and I am fed up of pushing with Dr's and physios just to get something looked at and some help, and fed up of medical things.

I just want to stop pushing for appointments and going to appointments and just have a bit of a life - however minimal that is - and just think about something else!

Oh and I forgot the cystitis. The few days I couldn't get to the loo (before going to A&E - should have gone earlier .......) I was using a "contraption" in the bedroom instead and probably hung on too long - so then got cystitis too.

I could do with something positive happening. I had just bought a small powerchair to use downstairs so I could get around the house and at least feel part of normal life, and so OH didn't have to push me in the wheelchair. And now I can't even get downstairs to it!

But really I just feel demoralised that basically if I hadn't been pushing really hard this year, I just felt thrown on the scrap heap. All I've been getting from GP for three years is - do physio. I think if I'd had surgery at the start I might still be walking.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 12:27:18

Charleygirl5

Your GP has possibly forgotten that he should be offering you a duty of care.

Is there a background we do not know about because neglect comes into the equation?

This is what I think, I feel like sueing someone ..... I just don't understand really.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 12:28:29

How many times do you have to say "but I can't walk!"

MayBee70 Fri 25-Apr-25 12:54:16

Oh gentleshores, I don’t know what to say. I’ve been feeling miserable lately because I can’t walk the way I used to and tend to spend a lot of time in my house ( thank goodness for the internet, catchup tv, DVD’s and podcasts!) but your problems put me to shame for feeling so sorry for myself. I agree about contacting your MP. I also think you should write to the practice manager at your surgery. Keep a written record of all conversations. Referrals etc do go missing at surgeries. We had one doctor who was always ‘referring’ people. When they contacted us weeks later we would know straight away that no referral would have been made.Re the UTI; I always keep d mannose in stock after it was recommended on here a few years ago. First sign of an UTI and I take it. Are there other organisations that could help? Age Concern ( even if you’re not old enough they might advise you). The Arthritis one ( that keeps changing it’s name). x

petra Fri 25-Apr-25 12:55:23

gentleshores
In you situation I would take it to this department.
What have you got to loose?
You never know you might get that one person reading your complaint who really cares and gets the ball rolling.

petra Fri 25-Apr-25 12:56:25

Sorry, forgot the link. 🤦🏼‍♀️

www.ombudsman.org.uk/

Grannylynj Fri 25-Apr-25 13:04:56

I ve never found it very helpful to say ‘there’s worse than me ‘

Grannylynj Fri 25-Apr-25 13:05:47

You could be dead

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:16:50

petra

Sorry, forgot the link. 🤦🏼‍♀️

www.ombudsman.org.uk/

Thank you. It says there's a 7 month wait for NHS complaints! I think I'd have to complain somewhere else first as well. It;s just exhausting having to battle with things. I'm wondering who you go to to "look at the whole picture".

I could go to see a specialist about the ribs but the knees and foot seem more the priority right now - although everything is a priority really.

Have to accept it will be 6 weeks before the foot heals and I'll be immobile for longer.

I will have to hope the orthopaedic appointment next week brings some help.

SueDonim Fri 25-Apr-25 13:17:09

This seems an extraordinary decision by the GP to not offer any help when you are still of working age, Gentleshores. You really do need someone to take a look at you as a whole. flowers I’m not medical but it seems to me that incurring so many different injuries in a relatively short space of time might have an underlying cause. Surely it’s not normal to be so incapacitated in one’s mid-60’s without something triggering it.

A request for an OT assessment might trigger some action, I do hope so. Do you have anyone to advocate for you, a partner or adult child or concerned friend?

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:19:18

But I do feel left high and dry by the GP surgery. I don't think they are very good. They don't even ask you to make another appointment and follow up. I applied for PIP last year - before I reached retirement age (you can't claim afterwards) and was surprised to get it. I have a gut feeling the GP I've been dealing with doesn't approve of people claiming benefits - she made some comment about it. But it helped me pay for the scooter. Rather than being pushed in a manual wheelchair.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:20:31

Appreciate the support and listening ..... it helps. Thank you.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:22:15

Incidentally GP was no help with providing a letter for Pip but I had plenty of other medical evidence which was why it was accepted I think.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:23:40

Maybe it is just a postcode lottery. But the surgery won't do any referrals to Consultants if it's musculoskeletal (apparently). I have a feeling it's a way of keeping waiting lists down.

I was first referred to physio over 2 years ago and told to just go away and take painkillers and no I didn't need a consultant.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:26:14

SueDonim

This seems an extraordinary decision by the GP to not offer any help when you are still of working age, Gentleshores. You really do need someone to take a look at you as a whole. flowers I’m not medical but it seems to me that incurring so many different injuries in a relatively short space of time might have an underlying cause. Surely it’s not normal to be so incapacitated in one’s mid-60’s without something triggering it.

A request for an OT assessment might trigger some action, I do hope so. Do you have anyone to advocate for you, a partner or adult child or concerned friend?

Thanks. Three years ago I was quite fit and healthy and not that incapacitated. But things have knock on effects. I'm on blood thinners as well after a pulmonary embolism 2 and a half years ago, and that caused some lack of mobility too for about 6 months, but I got better. I still think the Pulmonary embolism was caused by lack of mobility in the first place due to the knee problems and no referral.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:27:04

I'm a former nurse so I find it even more shocking!

Flanet Fri 25-Apr-25 13:50:35

I’ve had physio for my knees and shoulders, also seen an osteopath for uneven hips and a dislocated bone in my foot.
It takes a very long time to improve, two years for me and you have to make yourself repeat the exercises as instructed often everyday. I am in my 70s and have managed to get back to walking normally but l still have to keep moving everyday or else my knees start to be an issue. I have also tried to eat a healthier diet to keep weight off and reduce inflammation in joints.
Please don’t give up, it’s hard work and often you have to work through pain, if you don’t trust the professionals may be you can get a second opinion. Good luck.

Norah Fri 25-Apr-25 13:52:38

Empathy flowers flowers

Fairlandia Fri 25-Apr-25 13:54:53

If you are a person who has ‘saved for a rainy day’ then this is it! We (reluctantly) paid to get me seen by a consultant several years ago and he referred me to his NHS list for the surgery - where I had to wait my turn. I had to pay for a private scan too but it was worth it all to have a proper diagnosis. Good luck!

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:55:50

Flanet

I’ve had physio for my knees and shoulders, also seen an osteopath for uneven hips and a dislocated bone in my foot.
It takes a very long time to improve, two years for me and you have to make yourself repeat the exercises as instructed often everyday. I am in my 70s and have managed to get back to walking normally but l still have to keep moving everyday or else my knees start to be an issue. I have also tried to eat a healthier diet to keep weight off and reduce inflammation in joints.
Please don’t give up, it’s hard work and often you have to work through pain, if you don’t trust the professionals may be you can get a second opinion. Good luck.

Thank you. Maybe I need a private physio. I do the exercises but can only do the sitting ones. The standing ones cause so much pain I then can't walk at all - I think something has been overlooked - with the left knee locking and giving way sometimes. Last time it "went out" and locked I was stuck in one position in agony for 3 hours until an ambulance came and that knocked my confidence. It goes out very easily. Can't do the standing ones anyway now due to this right foot injury.

gentleshores Fri 25-Apr-25 13:56:35

Yes I'm careful about weight as well and am not overweight in the slightest.

icanhandthemback Fri 25-Apr-25 13:59:26

Are you hypermobile? It sounds a bit like the problems with your joints that my children have. If you are, you may need a rheumatologist rather than the musculoskeletal specialist. Similarly you might need a physio who truly understands hypermobility because you need different exercises to build gently up muscle tone gently. As hyper mobility is caused by a collagen problem (taking collagen doesn't help) your muscles would have found it hard not to decondition so it is a problem which just grows and grows. Less muscle strength equals more damage to joints and tissues so you need to rest. Resting causes more deconditioning so when you start to move again you get more issues. It is horrendous until you find someone who truly understands the problems. Gentle swimming or movement in the water can be helpful and it might be worth paying for hydrotherapy.

georgia101 Fri 25-Apr-25 13:59:30

Could you afford to go to a private clinic for just one assessment? Tell them that you're self funding and they should refer you to the NHS for any needed treatment. I know someone who has done this successfully and it speeds up the time waiting to see an NHS specialist and then waiting for treatment. I think it costs around £100.

SueDonim Fri 25-Apr-25 14:01:05

Your post at 13:26, Gentleshores really highlights that no one looking at your condition as a whole. Instead, they’re just patching up (or not) the gaps.

What about contacting PALS? They may have some good advice on how to get the care you need. www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/hospitals/what-is-pals-patient-advice-and-liaison-service/

4allweknow Fri 25-Apr-25 14:02:02

Don't know how the system works where you are but could you contact Social Services as it sounds like you need support at home for basic needs. No one should be left to struggle like you seem to be. Has any GP given you a full and comprehensive explanation why you cannot be referred? Using your age as an excuse is ridiculous.

essjay Fri 25-Apr-25 14:20:43

if you ask for an OT assessment, i hope there is not as long a wait as in our area(cheshire), my sister is still waiting, over 15 months, despite several phone calls.