Adult DD ran off upset....

I'm not sure about the limitations of RA - but the PFA cert is actually quite easy going and passive.
It's mostly talking (or should I say listening) with a few mins floor work - it's not really heavy going apart from a few short chest compressions on a child sized dummy, and putting someone in a recovery postion.
It can be 6 hours online +6 hours face-2-face.
If your daughter can work with children daily the the FA should be quite doable in all honesty.

You still have to make NI and income tax contributions if self employed, there may be a minimum amount you earn below which you are exempt - I'm not sure.
You say she wants to start her own nursery and needs this qualification but cannot get it because her RA is too severe? Is she chasing rainbows?
Is her arthritis bad enough for her to be on benefits?

I think the OP probably hasn’t got the answers/support she anticipated?

However, I must agree with posters who are concerned about her ability to care for little people and support those who say this is a chance for your DD to do something different - something she’d enjoy, within her physical limitations. I’m sure she could get help and possibly training through the job centre.

DD2 is a wheelchair user - being a pilot would be impossible! Doing DD1’s job on a building site would also be impossible.
After Uni and some retail work, DD2 is happy and has a successful career in banking.
My friend’s son developed MS. As a chef, he couldn’t work around sharp knives and kitchen spills.

I’m afraid it’s a case of horses for courses.

She does not like the job and is not capable of doing it, so i would think it is time to leave. The job centre could help with jobs she would be capable of doing.

If i was leaving a little one in nursery I would want all staff to be qualified.

OP has been posting for the last few years so will likely return.

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I hope that you are reassured about NI and access to health services. That's one less worry. There are lots of suggestions here to help your daughter and I hope things work out for her in the end.

I do not understand why she is not doing more to help herself. There are a number of agencies and charities who could give her help and advice and seems that neither OP nor her daughter has used them.

It is possible to access special disability services through her local Jobs Centre. Job Centres have access to specialist advisors who can help someone like OP's DD find a sutiable profession and study for it.

You keep commenting that " it isn't her fault that she has RA" nobody has said it is BUT, it is her responsibility to the children she looks after to be fit to practice, she doesn't seem to be making much effort in finding out what she can do to help herself, but you are both locked into a blame cycle that it is everyone else who has a problem with her . Get her to start taking the reins , get help from people who can help, The RA association has a UK website with some information that might be helpful and a telephone number to speak to someone.

Excellent points here, OP please take these on board.
Too many misconceptions about NHS/NI, the necessity of basic professional requirements and sadly a “head in the sand” attitude. Why did D “run off” anyway? What was that meant to achieve?

Goodness. I keep coming back and reading this thread in case I've missed something vital.

So she's in a job she doesn't like, that she's not qualified to do and quite probably won't be able to obtain the correct qualifications. Well that opens a can of worms. From being reported to the Local Authority to expensive and stressful litigation. Quite apart from putting the children in her care in the direct line of physical injury.

Nobody's NI contributions "run out". That's complete nonsense. Free NHS care is based on residency not NI contributions.

I'd be gently advising her to take some advice and look for a different. more self-rewarding line of work that suits her skills and capabilities. Many of us have physical or mental challenges that stop us doing certain types of jobs. That's life unfortunately. Play as well as you can with cards you are dealt with.

Its a concern that she can't act in an emergency with a child. Its essential she can do this for the safety of the child. Knowing what to do is very different to carrying the action out.

If this causes her discomfort I'm surprised she can manage all the other things involved such as general day to day care of children, lifting, changing and at times moving quickly to catch a child or prevent an accident. Things she would definitely have to do if she set up on her own.

I have worked in childcare all my life and would not consider this safe for the children.

Well I’m quite concerned that she looks after children on her own as well and the parents fine with her not being able to act in an emergency.

And that she wants to become self employed. So without insurance. No certificate, no insurance.

The whole idea is flawed.

Not to mention not understanding National Insurance ……

Nurseries must comply with statutory requirements. If this certificate is required, then it must be undertaken.
As others here, I am more concerned about the fact that she "hates her job".
It cannot be good for the children in her care, or herself.
My first criteria for appointment was always that the candidate was enthusiastic about the post.

I find this a strange post.

I was a teacher have had severe RA for over forty years and this scenario situation puzzles me.

I had to retire on ill health grounds, because I could no longer physically manage to do my job. More importantly,I felt I could not guarantee the safety of my charges.
I would have concerns about the safety of my own child, if your DD was in charge of them.

Is she attending an RA clinic and does she take medication to manage her condition? If so her consultant can arrange access to a whole range of support.
Her employer should also be supporting her under the Disability Act) and arrange access to the occupational health team.

The scenario of missing NI contributions is a puzzle. The only way I can see them not being paid is if she is self employed.
Another way of ensuring NI I contributions is by contacting DWP and explaining her situation.
I eventually ran out of sick pay and DWP contacted me to say that my NI contributions were not being paid. I had no income at all.

Called in for an interview and examined by their own doctor, I was deemed unfit to work for life..
The result was thaI my N.I contributions were credited and I was paid an allowance, until my teacher's pension kicked in.

I feel there is a part of the story missing.

I certainly wouldn’t want someone working in a nursery who hates the job
I’m more concerned for the children your daughter is working with than I am for your befuddled understanding of NI contributions.

TopsyAndTim

They are not helping her through work. It's almost like she is an inconvenience for having this disease. It's clear they truly don't understand. I also don't think (because she qualified before 2016) that she actually needs it. She's emailed ofsted and some other organisations that can provide further clarity.
Maybe a first aid provider would let her observe or just join in with what she can but if they are anything like her workplace have been then I am doubtful.

Thing is, if she can't participate physically in the training, then how is she going to participate a in real life emergency..... I wouldnt want her caring for my child in those circumstances.....she should look for another line of work

I’m afraid I agree with others who say that if your daughter would be unable to meet the requirements of the first aid certificate then she is obviously not physically capable of doing the job. She obviously doesn’t like her job either. I feel that she should resign on the grounds of ill health and apply for Universal Credit and PIP, both these will also pay her NI. These would provide her with an income and access to the job centre who should be able to provide her with support to obtain another suitable job and training. If she doesn’t know how to apply for these benefits she should visit to her local Citizens’ Advice who will help her to apply. I hope this helps.

I am equally puzzled as others who have commented…….if she doesn’t like the work, why is she complaining about her employer wanting her to obtain a paediatric first aid certificate? Surely, this is a given for anyone working in that environment? Who would want to leave their child with someone who couldn’t help if that child were choking or in cardiac arrest?
Whilst I am sorry that your DD has RA, which I know is very painful and debilitating, I think it is time for you both to rethink her career and move into a different ‘industry’.

Has she been down to Citizen's Advice to find out what her legal and welfare entitlements are and for help to make sure she gets them?

What job would she really like to do? has she enquired how to train for that?
Has she been in touch with the NRAS National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society nras.org.uk/get-support/ ? They can give helpand advice tailored to her needs and hopes and also provides a community.

The NRAS have a whole series of publication addressing all the things she needs help with and also have aa helpline.

Sometimes we just have to be realistic about the limitations of some health conditions. If your daughter is setting up as a self employed child minder I am guessing that it is the insurance company that requires her to have the qualification. There is some good advice on here that I hope your daughter will find helpful.

I am afraid if she cannot do what is required to do the job, the safety of children come first and agree with Bluebell. She doesn't even like the job so why did she go into it? This is an opportunity to re think what she does want,

If she hates the job and if she’s not able to fulfil the criteria for looking after and keeping safe young children then I m sorry TopsyandTim but she shouldn’t be in this job and this is not said without feeling for your daughter but looking after young children is a really physical job
I hope your daughter can find a career suitable to her strengths and think the advice you ve been given by others is worth looking into
Of course it’s not her fault poor lady but we all have to be fully trained whatever job we do we can’t just miss pieces out according to or fitness levels
She’s shocked and scared at the moment but there will be help out there if she seeks it

I don't want to seem unsympathetic, I have arthritis myself and know the difficultues it causes, but is it really fair to take on the care of young children if you are unable to respond in an emergency? I for one wouldn't want someone with those limitations looking after mychildren.