Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

I reported a post of yours , Allira, for misrepresentation.

'Some people' is one of the most unpleasant forms of attack I think. It was used repeatedly on the gender discussions and always led to more conflict.

It is also a feature, that Posters dip in and out, other things taking priority in the offline world, and so responses can be muddled.

As I said upthread, IMO there is a lot more passive aggression on GN than overt aggression. Snide comments, nasty digs, point scoring - all of which can be denied if necessary, with an opportunity to accuse others of being oversensitive or making it all about them.

Ironically, it's very obvious when it happens, so doesn't really work as a 'covert' way of being unpleasant - people can see straight through it.

I don't know if the vague rules are responsible (ie that people think that disagreeing directly might be deemed a personal attack and therefore 'not in the spirit of GN') or if those using 'some people' and similar ways of having a dig think they are more subtle than they actually are. I prefer honesty, and giving people the chance to reply if someone has disagreed - that's what discussion is supposed to be about.

RosieandherMaw

^To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme^

Really? "In the extreme"
I imagine there are many here who have experienced or witnessed a level of political even religious, sexual or racial intolerance to put a mild suggestion well and truly in the shade.

Sarcasm exposing hypocrisy.

We need a 'sarcasm' emoti, or is there one already? Thinking about the interactions a couple of posts above.
Where what I took to be sarcasm, another poster took at face value.
Sometimes difficult to differentiate.

Someone upthread asked about ICE and 'genocide'.
If ICE is targetting people because of their race, with the intention of having them transported to what could become death camps, for example the new one in Florida which has aleady been nicknamed 'Alligator Alcatraz', and if you then watch the videos of Trump on his visit there laughing about what could happen to escapees, then 'genocide' could eventually become the description, as the 'intent' to harm has been already demonstrated.

Bullying, sniping call it what you will.

Never mind.

lafergar

never mind, it's fun to bully other posters into submission.

I’m sorry you find that fun, lafergar.
I’ll be more aware that that’s your intention.

lafergar

never mind, it's fun to bully other posters into submission.

I haven't seen anyone bullied into submission unless you mean bullied off Gransnet?

RosieandherMaw

^To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme^

Really? "In the extreme"
I imagine there are many here who have experienced or witnessed a level of political even religious, sexual or racial intolerance to put a mild suggestion well and truly in the shade.

To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme


I'm confused!

never mind, it's fun to bully other posters into submission.

To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme

Really? "In the extreme"
I imagine there are many here who have experienced or witnessed a level of political even religious, sexual or racial intolerance to put a mild suggestion well and truly in the shade.

Caleo

KittyLester: "I don't really care who the 'some of you are' - what has happened to live and let live?"

Genocide

ICE

Are you saying that Customs and Immigration Officers commit genocide?

lafergar

*West Indians and Asians never got on*

Really? All of them? People seem to get on just fine round about me and in various community settings.

Well, our lovely new family member is West Indies Indian 😁
I didn't ask if the family gets on with the Afro-Caribbeans at home.

KittyLester: "I don't really care who the 'some of you are' - what has happened to live and let live?"

Genocide

ICE

West Indians and Asians never got on

Really? All of them? People seem to get on just fine round about me and in various community settings.

I think something bad happened to this country in the run up to the EU referendum. It hasn’t gone away and has filtered its way into just about everything. An Irish friend once told me that the English were the most tolerant people he had ever met ( and he’d worked throughout the world) but it isn’t like that now.

Primrose53

Allira

Yes, we've lived in mixed areas in London and found that some people (mainly those from India and Ugandan Asians) wished to integrate, they were enterprising and ambitious, others stuck to their areas and did not. People from Pakistan tended to stick to their own areas and did not integrate even though they worked with others of different nationalities.
Strangely enough, the Indians and Ugandan Asians did not get on. Different religions perhaps? Different class? I never asked.

West Indians and Asians never got on when I worked amongst them. As you say, the class system is very evident too. People of a higher caste often look down on those of a lower class. Parents expect their offspring to marry someone from their caste or higher.

They are quite open about it and I had it explained to me many times.

No, not West Indians.
Although people of Indian heritage can be from the West Indies.
Blame Christopher Columbus!

People from India and Ugandan Asians who are of Indian heritage.

Allira

Yes, we've lived in mixed areas in London and found that some people (mainly those from India and Ugandan Asians) wished to integrate, they were enterprising and ambitious, others stuck to their areas and did not. People from Pakistan tended to stick to their own areas and did not integrate even though they worked with others of different nationalities.
Strangely enough, the Indians and Ugandan Asians did not get on. Different religions perhaps? Different class? I never asked.

West Indians and Asians never got on when I worked amongst them. As you say, the class system is very evident too. People of a higher caste often look down on those of a lower class. Parents expect their offspring to marry someone from their caste or higher.

They are quite open about it and I had it explained to me many times.

Allira

Anyway, not sure what this has to do with Is intolerance getting worse on GN?!!

To even suggest that someone politely mentionning that their experience is different to another poster, is a symbol of this growing intolerance, is quite indicative of ... intolerance in the extreme.

Having said that as the child of an Irish Catholic and an Ulster Protestant no one needs to explain to me how daft this sort of thing can be.
Goodness, theworriedwell

I remember wandering round some areas of Belfast with other students and being told to keep my mouth 🤐 because of my English accent. That was 1966!

growstuff

My son-in-law's parents were immigrants (with brown skin). He has integrated completely, as have his siblings. His parents don't live in a "ghetto".

From experience of friends and family members, people who worked in the factory where DH worked, it seems dependent upon where are they from, education and social class.

The same as with people everywhere whatever their ethnic origins or religion.

growstuff

Claremont Loughborough has a large number of white British people who used to work in the former traditional industries. It does not have a particularly high non-white British population.

Yes, of course. Worked there long enough to know. What I said is that the Asian population of Loughborough is very different to the Asian groups is Leicester, where I also worked for a very long time, in a variety of schools.

I agree with you. I would be more afraid of people advocating banning others for their views than the so called right wing extremists who are mostly just people wanting a better life and who are largely disappointed with how they are being governed. Unfortunately the real right wing extremists are now able to hide under this blanket term.