Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

I agree Whitewavemark2

My soon to be grand-daughter in law is a British born child of immigrants from the Middle East. Although her parents are Christian, they reflect the dominant culture of their country of origin. GDIL attended normal state school and integrated from primary. This totally clashed with her parents idea of how a young woman should behave, which meant that by 16 gDIL was sadly estranged from her family. GDIL is an extremely strong charactered intelligent young woman, and funded herself completely from aged 16. She is now a psychologist working with extremely traumatised children as well as continuing her education at university.

So to my mind integration appears very easy for children of immigrants, but not so easy for those whose formative years were embedded in a culture very different to British culture.

Oh thanks. Will look out for those

Maremia

The parents who are immigrants, then the children, but does anyone have any stats or info on how the grandchildren integrate? Maybe it just takes time. Some of you may know.

I do know several GC of immigrants.

Only two (different families) have what we would call a western childhood the others are segregated outside of school, only playing with children of other family members.

Enoch Powell did indeed have far more too him than people realise, and statements that he had British Empire running through him are patently false; following Indian Independence in 1947 he felt that the rest of the Empire should follow, and was fiercely anti-Imperialist for the rest of his life.

Mt61

BlueBelle

I only report spam or some horrid posts by trolls usually very early mornings when I am awake at 4 am and they start nasty often sexual threads I would never ever report a bone fide poster because of differing views that’s totally out of order and I d have thought GN wouldn’t take notice of it
I don’t know what happened to FGT I wasn’t on the threads I just read the many posts about it Did the ban ever get reversed?
How on earth do you work out that it’s ’lefties posters’ ??? doing reporting Woodenspoon that seems awfully judgemental !

I have never seen a troll on here. What do I need to look out for?

Posts added to ancient threads, containing interminable links that probably take you to pages that are 'not suitable for work'.

Posts with embedded links to sales pages, often abroad.

Posts about difficult mothers-in-law from Americans with 'complex' lives and relationship patterns, often with veiled digs at posters on here.

Pretty much anything that links to Reddit.

A lovely young Asian girl use to thread my eyebrows- very quiet, but once we got to know each other, she told me the guy outside was her uncle, and would sit for the few hours she worked, keeping an eye on her. She didn’t speak English too well, but told me enough, that sounded as though they kept her indoors most of the time. The husband she had married, had a kid with a western girlfriend who she called a W. She was very sad & would cry often. I felt so sorry for her.

Casdon

I think integration is very variable, the nearest small town to me is a UK army Gurkha base, and many of the soldiers opt to remain here after they complete active service, so we have all ages here. They are (both sexes) great contributors to the community, and their wives and children are often employed in local businesses, so they are very well integrated, whilst still maintaining their own traditions. It works really well for everybody I think.

And if everybody who came to the country was like them nobody would object. Unfortunately they are a rarity. Many do not integrate and have no intention of doing so. They expect us to integrate with them.

BlueBelle

I only report spam or some horrid posts by trolls usually very early mornings when I am awake at 4 am and they start nasty often sexual threads I would never ever report a bone fide poster because of differing views that’s totally out of order and I d have thought GN wouldn’t take notice of it
I don’t know what happened to FGT I wasn’t on the threads I just read the many posts about it Did the ban ever get reversed?
How on earth do you work out that it’s ’lefties posters’ ??? doing reporting Woodenspoon that seems awfully judgemental !

I have never seen a troll on here. What do I need to look out for?

eazybee

^Cut him in half and he had British empire right through him. I think he would have a lot in common with the white supremicists. In USA .^

Not true.
I did know him.
Extremely intellectual, academic, well able to analyse, but also able to relate to his constituents, all of them., and a man of courage.

There was far more to him than just that one speech, which is all that most people remember of him, if they remember him at all.

Cut him in half and he had British empire right through him. I think he would have a lot in common with the white supremicists. In USA .

Not true.
I did know him.
Extremely intellectual, academic, well able to analyse, but also able to relate to his constituents, all of them., and a man of courage.

Oh I know imported criminal activities are pretty universal these days unfortunately.

We import foreign criminal gangs here too. Drug runners, prostitution, gun crime all are linked to immigration from certain countries. So it’s not just the Spanish.

"Integration is a problem in some areas, no idea what the solution is"

Marrying out of an ethnic enclave imo is the best way of integration, and that does happen with many 2nd and 3rd generations amongst some incomers, my grandfather was one such person who came to this country and married my English grandmother. No internet then so breaking the ties with the old country was far more absolute. Of course religion does bind some to their particular faith and that often precludes marrying out. When I grew up, being educated at catholic schools we inevitably had many Irish but Italians as well, and kind of old school ones that came from southern Italy and Sicily so steeped in some of their old traditions. For example, went into all black mourning garb when someone in the extended family died. Sometimes the older women in particular didn't learn the language, which kept them isolated. However, from what I gather the next generation, my peer group, threw off those shackles and just became English, so the only vestiges left were their Italian names, Italian food and hopefully they kept their wonderful language going. The contrary factor with some of those from the Indian sub continent from what I've read, is that the elders who came here in the '70s were possibly more assimilated as far as dress and customs, most notably the older women didn't wear the burka, or even the veil, but it's their younger generation who have embraced a hard line in the way they have turned to a more extreme version of their religion, and they would more likely to have been born and raised in this country which is puzzling.

Having said that, of course there are Britons who rock up in Spain and then make no attempt to learn the language or ingratiate themselves into their local community. Apologies for a bit of digression but talking of Spain, why do they put up with all these foreign gangsters? some are British and Irish who blight certain areas of their country, there was a recent gang shoot out around Marbella just wondering why some places are such meccas for crime? Why would any country want to import foreign criminal gangs?

I think integration is very variable, the nearest small town to me is a UK army Gurkha base, and many of the soldiers opt to remain here after they complete active service, so we have all ages here. They are (both sexes) great contributors to the community, and their wives and children are often employed in local businesses, so they are very well integrated, whilst still maintaining their own traditions. It works really well for everybody I think.

The parents who are immigrants, then the children, but does anyone have any stats or info on how the grandchildren integrate? Maybe it just takes time. Some of you may know.

My closest neighbours are from Pakistan, they still have a home there. The children are westernised, the parents not so.

Our AC have Asian friends, the males are out and about, the women are not. One allows his wife to work, the others only go out to take children to and from school.

They all went home for arranged marriages and jumped through hoops to get their wives here.

Integration is a problem in some areas, no idea what the solution is 🤷‍♀️

I live near Leicester and we are friends with people of all nationalities but there are large areas near the city where no integration is apparent and there are regular fights between different nationalities

And, I am sometimes shocked to see small children translating for their youngish parents.

neighbours plural.

Iam64

Allira

Iam64

Much maligned in your view, not in the view of others. Free to chose of course

I wonder if his words were more of a warning of what could happen? Wasn't he worried about lack of integration possibly causing tensions?

I don't really remember (we could have been overseas at the time, was if 1968?) but know there was a lot of controversy.

Powell believed some immigrants wanted integration but others wanted to cause dissent. He saw the end of Empire as the end of any responsibility towards the inhabitants of the countries previously part of the British Empire. He is largely. Viewed as a man with racist beliefs.

I expect many people will say his opinions were correct. I saw him as a classic supporter of Empire with no ability to analyse or accept its contribution to the numbers of people from former commonwealth countries settling in the UK

Powell believed some immigrants wanted integration but others wanted to cause dissent.
Interesting thought, though. I've found over years that our Indian friends and neighbour in particular, wherever they are from, have been keen to integrate.

For posters who are prepared to read a parliamentary committee report in great detail, this reference shows how horrifyingly insidious in so many ways enoch Powells call to action was. it truly is worth a read, and is fair, inasmuch as it truly does present the different points of view on immigration.

I think a few here might really be interested especially as I say, it gives the anti-immigration POV as well. It focuses on Powell kicking off the whole debate as of course he was referring to the Windrush generation and the scandal caused when it was attempted to round up elderly citizens from the West Indies who had not gone ahead and paid out/could not afford to pay out for citizenship (despite of course, us asking them to come to work in job shortages in the UK.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/12263/html

iam64

Cut him in half and he had British empire right through him. I think he would have a lot in common with the white supremicists. In USA .

Thanks Primrose I knew the quote was from a book but couldn’t remember which one😃 amazing that I got it almost right considering the heat and humidity yesterday.

Allira

Iam64

Much maligned in your view, not in the view of others. Free to chose of course

I wonder if his words were more of a warning of what could happen? Wasn't he worried about lack of integration possibly causing tensions?

I don't really remember (we could have been overseas at the time, was if 1968?) but know there was a lot of controversy.

Powell believed some immigrants wanted integration but others wanted to cause dissent. He saw the end of Empire as the end of any responsibility towards the inhabitants of the countries previously part of the British Empire. He is largely. Viewed as a man with racist beliefs.

I expect many people will say his opinions were correct. I saw him as a classic supporter of Empire with no ability to analyse or accept its contribution to the numbers of people from former commonwealth countries settling in the UK

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