Is intolerance getting worse on GN?

Powell made his 'rivers of blood" speech on 20 April 1968.
I was 17, not yet at uni, so it's my parents and all the people we knew then, my mother and fathers political and social friends, Quakers, father's colleagues because of the nature of his work (in multi cultural setting where he came across such types as described by Maybee

Allira

^Wonder if anyone here also supported Powell's dreams for Great Britain.^

I expect many were at infant school.

Oh, I was well aware of his "rivers of blood speech" and appalled, as my parents and chosen friends were.

Utterly nasty piece of work however many redeeming features he might have had, like - oh I don't know... being kind to his dog?

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

Doodledog

Oh, I'm sure we all do - anyone who put pop stars' political allegiances at the top of their list of things to worry about would be very strange.

It doesn't mean that knowing what he's really like sits well, though.

Do you or any other posters on here ask what a persons political allegiances are on first meeting them?

Do you or any other posters on GN only have friends whose political affiliations are the same as yours?

I can only speak for myself but the three girlfriends I have been friends with (I suppose they should be called women friends) for 52, 45 and 30 years, all have different political views and affiliations, none of which align with mine.

I find that people I meet often slip anti immigration comments into a conversation ( it happened with someone that was doing some work on my house the other week). And I’ve pointed out in the past that the odd job man I use ( and unfortunately depend upon) does the same. Someone in my dog walking group called coloured people darkies. No idea how he managed to get that into the conversation but I got thrown out of the group when I eventually lost my temper about his racist comments. When I still worked people in the waiting room used to go on about foreigners. Same thing happened when I used to go to the sauna at my gym, so I started going in the evening when there was a younger age group.

Yes: it's shocking, and I would not want to have anymore than necessary conversation in as benign as way as possible with them. But if pressed, I would tell them what I thought calmly. There are limits to this accepting everyone.

MaizieD

^Perhaps people have too much time in their hands?^

Oh dear, GG13. That sounds dangerously akin to 'get a life' (though I know you didn't mean it pejoratively).

It's a delightfully cool and slightly breezy 18 degrees (how do you get the superscript 'o' ?) here in Durham this morning.

Do wave to my son as he passes by your way

Maggiemaybe

If you disliked the song, Wyllow, just imagine how I felt on the more than one occasion when someone who didn’t pay attention to lyrics dedicated it to me at a disco. I’d be in my late teens, and absolutely drop dead gorgeous (of course ).

Just realised the subtle nature of this post, Maggiemaybe
Nice one [grin}

I'll take a look.
Oh yes, I've seen him in something else.

Is it worth watching?

I can’t make up my mind. He’s easy on the eye though. 😂

merlotgran

I missed the deleted post. That’s what comes of trying to watch an Aussie crime drama, read an English crime drama and follow a thread on Gransnet all at the same time!

I didn't watch the Aussie crime drama, as I downloaded the book ages ago but haven't read it yet.
Is it worth watching?

Iam64

Much maligned in your view, not in the view of others. Free to chose of course

I wonder if his words were more of a warning of what could happen? Wasn't he worried about lack of integration possibly causing tensions?

I don't really remember (we could have been overseas at the time, was if 1968?) but know there was a lot of controversy.

I missed the deleted post. That’s what comes of trying to watch an Aussie crime drama, read an English crime drama and follow a thread on Gransnet all at the same time!

Cossy

Oreo

The past is a another country, they do things differently there.

I love that phrase!

It’s actually “the past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.”

quote by L P Hartley in his wonderful novel “The Go-Between”.
Followed by the film in later years which was filmed nearby.

Nothing of value came out of his mouth , thats for sure.

Come back regular Wyllow who is peace loving.

I think we are having a "good old thrash out" of these issues Iam
.. and clearly a lot of us feel its valuable or we wouldn't be doing it maybe?

FWIW I’ve reported the deleted post, pointing out those of us who posted we saw it and can’t see any reason to report much less delete
What on earth is happening - report buttons, deletions, suspensions, bans

Let me see.....surely it couldn't be something personal against a self proclaimed leftie could it?

God, it's pathetic.

Doodledog, I saw the post and genuinely can’t imagine what provoked the report button, or its deletion. On this thread of all threads.
My first thought was that deletion confirms intolerance is getting worse on Gransnet. I’m beginning to agree with the posters who say let posts stand - and the suggestion if we do report we should say we are reporting . It’s pathetic

No idea, lafergar, so the deletion is not a lesson to us all, is it?

What on earth? deleted for what exactly?

I saw it, and have no idea what was against the guidelines - but as the guidelines are so vague that's not surprising, really.

I'd say intolerance is getting worse on GN though

I know I read it but I can't remember it, makes me think it wasn't anything awful but I think the heat is getting to me so I haven't a clue.

I wonder who reported lafergar and what it was about her post that breached guidelines

Much maligned in your view, not in the view of others. Free to chose of course

Enoch Powell was my MP, and I was in Wolverhampton outside the Grammar School when he made his second speech (the first was at a private function.)
Unlike so many politicians he was very much in touch with what was happening in his constituency, lived in the middle of it and was aware of the concerns of his constituents.
A man much maligned .

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I was 19 when Powell made his rivers of blood speech. I knew one non white person, a young man from India studying English lit with a further ed teacher we all worshipped (A bit).

My dad wasn’t a horrible racist but he believed Powell was making a valid point. We had an argument and I thank the heavens agreed to disagree.

I’ve been ‘political’ for as long as I remember. I was influenced by the beat poets, by Woodie Guthrie, Bob Dylan/joan Baez, the anti Vietnam Wat movement, CND etc etc

I’ve always had friends of different political persuasions. I still do.