Trump said: “On immigration you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.”

Oh I agree the boats are a problem.

Easy enough solution.

Give safe passage.

PS I'm not looking for problems where none exist. There's enough problems already without searching out more. The boats are a problem.

It is usually a decision made by the whole family to send the most able and fit to seek asylum.
OK. Good decision, but why risk the life and limb of that person by dangerously crossing the Channel in a small boat when they could safely seek asylum in France? (And in France, the French are asking why they don't seek asylum in Italy or Spain). I'm sure half these young men haven't got brothers, aunties, uncles, cousins etc waiting to help them in the UK, so my choice would be to start a new life where I safely landed. What's the ulterior motive for getting to the UK?

'I find it incredible that the young men leave their mothers, sisters, behind to face possibly even worse horrors.

As Claremont says this has always been the way of things and was very common within British and Irish families. Do we know if the young men who were sent ahead were the only ones who could look after the family? It may have been, as it was in many families going from an agrarian culture in our country, that the oldest son (or youngest uncle) stayed to work the land and support the family at home. The next eldest was sent, with what the family could gather together, to lands we had taken from others. There they did little other than work until they had enough land for the family so send the next son or cousin who was trusted to work for the first, save and be helped to buy his farm. From this system I have extended family in Canada, America, Australia and South Africa. The land they bought was often taken from the indigenous people and sold to the Empire builders very cheaply.

And this still happens but with different skill sets being traded. Those who are often made unwelcome were they have been settled for generations know to tell their young people to learn portable skills. Now these may be language and communication skills, entrepreneurial skills, digital literacy, craftsmanship and artistic skills, health and care-giving skills, etc.

So my family took advantage of Great Britain's stealing of others countries in the past. That stealing sometime took good things, such as modern medicine, to the people they displaced. Some countries now use phrases such as the Australians do "We acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we meet, and pay our respects to their Elders past, present, and emerging."

The worst things that happened way back when (the 1800s in my families case) was usually down to ignorance. Ignorance, fear and arrogance did and still do play a large part in the wickedness of the past and of the wickedness of today.

My family still spread themseves around the world. In this generation we split to a third remaining, a third moving to the US and a third to Australia. We sent our most skilled and they were welcomed. A UK that does not organise and put in place a proper system to welcome those who add the things we lack will become a worse and poorer place to live. And let's not forget that one of our shortages is youth.

Whitewave 👍🏻

It is usually a decision made by the whole family to send the most able and fit to seek asylum.

If you think about it, it is the most rational.

Send the one who is most able to work and invest in the families future, save for their fare and bring their wife and children to them as soon as they are set up.

The family usually only has sufficient funds for one and that is hard got.

Don’t fall into the trap and assume that they are thinking with a receiving countries mind.

They only see the possibility of a life without fear, hunger and persecution.

It is worth in their minds every risk and even death.

Allira, taking women and children on such a perilous journey is also dangerous

Claremont

Allira says 'I find it incredible that the young men leave their mothers, sisters, behind to face possibly even worse horrors. 😥'

I totally understand your comment, and yet this has always been the case, Irish, Italians, Polish, West Indians. Families club together to let the strongest, most able one go and seek a new life- because they are more likely to make it on their own and due to youth, strength, good health, ability, etc. In the hope that when they make it, find a job and somewhere to live, they will call for close family. Certainly the case for many in my family. My uncles who emigrated to Canada, USA ad Australia- and then brought their close family to join them. Same for my FIL and others from that side of the family escaping Apartheid. He first called for his wife to join once he'd got a job and a simple place to live about 8 months after arrival in the UK, then the kids aged 3 and 7 came with an aunt- by ship- very long journey.

I just keep thinking of those poor women and girls left behind to face goodness knows what, with only the old men left to protect them.
It really doesn't bear thinking about. 😥

Claremont

Allira says 'I find it incredible that the young men leave their mothers, sisters, behind to face possibly even worse horrors. 😥'

I totally understand your comment, and yet this has always been the case, Irish, Italians, Polish, West Indians. Families club together to let the strongest, most able one go and seek a new life- because they are more likely to make it on their own and due to youth, strength, good health, ability, etc. In the hope that when they make it, find a job and somewhere to live, they will call for close family. Certainly the case for many in my family. My uncles who emigrated to Canada, USA ad Australia- and then brought their close family to join them. Same for my FIL and others from that side of the family escaping Apartheid. He first called for his wife to join once he'd got a job and a simple place to live about 8 months after arrival in the UK, then the kids aged 3 and 7 came with an aunt- by ship- very long journey.

All well and good, but where on earth are these people going to live when we can’t even house our own population?….
And before you get carried away with the idea that I’m racist, I am certainly not racist. I work in a care home and I work with a lot of Indians and get on fine with all of them many of them have become my friends..

Allira says 'I find it incredible that the young men leave their mothers, sisters, behind to face possibly even worse horrors. 😥'

I totally understand your comment, and yet this has always been the case, Irish, Italians, Polish, West Indians. Families club together to let the strongest, most able one go and seek a new life- because they are more likely to make it on their own and due to youth, strength, good health, ability, etc. In the hope that when they make it, find a job and somewhere to live, they will call for close family. Certainly the case for many in my family. My uncles who emigrated to Canada, USA ad Australia- and then brought their close family to join them. Same for my FIL and others from that side of the family escaping Apartheid. He first called for his wife to join once he'd got a job and a simple place to live about 8 months after arrival in the UK, then the kids aged 3 and 7 came with an aunt- by ship- very long journey.

Isn’t it more that personal comments that are frowned upon, rather than peoples views?

Galaxy

If that is a rule it is a bit of a weird one.
Say someone had spent months and months on threads saying I fully support the royal family and then suddenly were on a thread saying the royal family should be abolished, it would be weird not to be able to call out that inconsistency.

Agreed

That’s fine - thanks.

I thought I’d read it somewhere but couldn’t find it, so just wanted to clarify.

There is no rule stated in the guidelines that I can see.

But if someone started a thread about this thread, then I believe that is against guidelines.

If that is a rule it is a bit of a weird one.
Say someone had spent months and months on threads saying I fully support the royal family and then suddenly were on a thread saying the royal family should be abolished, it would be weird not to be able to call out that inconsistency.

Norah

Oreo

Norah

growstuff

Norah

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I agree.

How do reports of "getting everything" go without challenge?

Because people believe what they want, if it supports their argument.

I'd add people are looking for problems where none exist.

Would you Norah would you really!
You’ve said a lot on this forum about your very nice lifestyle and am glad for you, but have a thought for people who don’t live in a lovely area and have crappy lives and jobs or no job.
Who can’t afford private renting, are bottom of the list for social housing and are sofa surfing with friends or just managing to rent one room in a shared house.
The many thousands of migrants arriving here every week for years are most definitely a problem.
Not yours tho, I grant you that.

Apologies if I offended. I think we have a nice life, I also think we worked very hard. I've no problem with those seeking asylum from horror.

I've no problem with those seeking asylum from horror.

Me neither.

However, asylum seekers need to be processed as quickly as possible because not all are genuine and fleeing from horrors.

I find it incredible that the young men leave their mothers, sisters, behind to face possibly even worse horrors. 😥
No matter the excuses some put forward, it seems cowardly and abhorrent to me, as it would to the menfolk in my family.

LizzieDrip

^You’ve said a lot on this forum about your very nice lifestyle^

Oreo I find your comment to Norah interesting🤔

I was under the impression that it’s against the GN guidelines to refer to comments made on other threads? Am I correct?

A thread about a thread is against guidelines but I don't believe referring to a post from another thread is, but don't quote me.

You’ve said a lot on this forum about your very nice lifestyle

Oreo I find your comment to Norah interesting🤔

I was under the impression that it’s against the GN guidelines to refer to comments made on other threads? Am I correct?

Oreo

Norah

growstuff

Norah

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I agree.

How do reports of "getting everything" go without challenge?

Because people believe what they want, if it supports their argument.

I'd add people are looking for problems where none exist.

Would you Norah would you really!
You’ve said a lot on this forum about your very nice lifestyle and am glad for you, but have a thought for people who don’t live in a lovely area and have crappy lives and jobs or no job.
Who can’t afford private renting, are bottom of the list for social housing and are sofa surfing with friends or just managing to rent one room in a shared house.
The many thousands of migrants arriving here every week for years are most definitely a problem.
Not yours tho, I grant you that.

Apologies if I offended. I think we have a nice life, I also think we worked very hard. I've no problem with those seeking asylum from horror.

Teazel2

woodenspoon

People on here who ignore legitimate concerns about immigration are the type of people who will hear nothing bad about immigrants. Only yesterday an immigrant from Yemen now living in Plymouth was in court charged with having porn on his phone, he was let off and is now back in Plymouth wanting to bring his family over here. Of course he does. He is just one example. But on here he’d be seen as misguided, worthy of more chances. As if we don’t have enough already with the grooming gangs who’ve more chance of being deported than I have of winning the lottery.

These people in denial do not understand or want to understand the sheer frustration, anger at what is being done to this country. There is no worthwhile contribution. Its all take take take.

Regarding the hotels mentioned yesterday. The latest one that was in the news online yesterday in most mainstream papers was identified as The Copthorne at Gatwick. One poster called it run down and tacky. Another said she’d stayed in it in years gone by and it was fine. But that’s the hotel.

Also, the other one mentioned was in national and local newspapers where comments from local residents included the mention of dogs. Read it for yourselves for those who robustly refuse to believe. It’s all online.

Theres nothing racist, that good old word, about being angry about these migrants shacked up in hotels with board, lodgings, mobile phones, NHS and dentistry thrown in without ever having paid a penny into the system. Of course they want to bring their families over. Why wouldn’t they?

Meanwhile, British families are struggling, young British single mums with several kids are housed in one room bed sits (itv news) away from friends and family, servicemen are on the streets. I’m sure the pensioners who’ve had their winter fuel payments removed plus all those struggling are only too pleased to suffer so migrants can be holed up in hotels.

Racist. What a joke.

Excellent post, well said 👏👏👏👏👏👏

Absolutely spot on ….👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Norah

growstuff

Norah

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I agree.

How do reports of "getting everything" go without challenge?

Because people believe what they want, if it supports their argument.

I'd add people are looking for problems where none exist.

Would you Norah would you really!
You’ve said a lot on this forum about your very nice lifestyle and am glad for you, but have a thought for people who don’t live in a lovely area and have crappy lives and jobs or no job.
Who can’t afford private renting, are bottom of the list for social housing and are sofa surfing with friends or just managing to rent one room in a shared house.
The many thousands of migrants arriving here every week for years are most definitely a problem.
Not yours tho, I grant you that.

Norah

growstuff

Norah

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I agree.

How do reports of "getting everything" go without challenge?

Because people believe what they want, if it supports their argument.

I'd add people are looking for problems where none exist.

Presumably you speak from experience, Noragph.

We had refugees living near here and generally they were no trouble at all, apart from the youths gathering in numbers in shop entrances which made it rather intimidating for girls and young women trying to enter the shop. I'd just push my way through at my advanced age.

These were refugees who came here under a Home Office scheme.

growstuff

Norah

Iam64

Whitewave, thanks for posting the amounts asylum seekers receive each week. I’m familiar with those and have never understood how these nonsense reports of them “getting everything” persist, interesting thst no one has challenged you

I agree.

How do reports of "getting everything" go without challenge?

Because people believe what they want, if it supports their argument.

I'd add people are looking for problems where none exist.

Eloethan

You've certainly got the right name woodenspoon. Are you for real?

I most certainly am. Are you?

You've certainly got the right name woodenspoon. Are you for real?