1,027 irregular migrants arrive here on rubber boats in the last 24 hours.

Dragging Trump into the argument is like the arrival of matching current events with Hitler. It’s becoming a common poster tactic. (And no, I don’t defend Trump’s actions or those of Hitler)

FGT2 posted about the number of people arriving in boats, and received all sorts of negative posts.

Why, not report it if that number of people are arriving by boat?
woodenspoon posted some really good questions about the numbers.

Are all the sources we can access wrong, or is there a someone in charge of deciding which source is acceptable.

We are expected to accept comments saying or implying

The majority of young men are fleeing the Taliban . . .
or
They have destroyed their identification . . .
or
The day after day feed . . .
or
Only posting one side of the picture . . .

We had endless daily posts about Tory misdeeds, or what the LP has done today, even made by people currently posting on N&P.
Are we now being told it was wrong to do that?

escaped

^I dislike the implication that I must automatically dislike or resent all immigrants, or that I’m unaware of the benefits brought by those coming here legally^.
Me too. But a good 60%+ of GNs on these threads are looked upon as a homogenous group requiring diversity training! Simply because they don't agree with other posters' views.
I think the objections to asylum seekers raised on here come from many interesting angles, and to say so many GNs believe everything that is spouted is wrong.

I dislike the implication that I must automatically dislike or resent all immigrants, or that I’m unaware of the benefits brought by those coming here legally.

Hear hear. So do I.
So many of us rely on immigrants and are grateful to them. Many of have immigrants or descendants of immigrants and refugees as family members and many friends.

So yes, implying that anyone who has reservations and concerns about the numbers of mainly young men coming here illegally, concerns about children and women being trafficked here, the implications for Organised Crime, therefore automatically dislikes or even is fearful of immigrants is just plain wrong.

It's a knee-jerk reaction rather than a conclusion which is properly thought through.

Because it has been stated on MSM that many of the Afghan co-workers were left behind.

Such a relief, only two GNs were taken in by that report. Or was it that only two had time to express their reaction, before it was debunked?

The majority of young men are Afghans fleeing from the Taliban. Many of them worked with our troops helping to protect them

How do you know this?

And agree, this thread is about the UK not what Trump has said.
Talk about him somewhere else.

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to discuss this very difficult issue in a less inflammatory way. I’m probably a ‘usual suspect’ despite so far as I’m aware never having posted I’m unconcerned about the kind of mass migration all of Europe now faces
Of course no country can continue to take in thousands arriving in 24 hours.
Of course the criminal gangs need smashing. Good luck with that one European leaders. It’s like the drug trade, so lucrative and so hard to attack

Successive governments here and in other European countries continue to seek solutions. Meanwhile wars and climate change mean numbers will grow not reduce

I loathe Farage, don’t trust snake oil salesmen but he’s singing a tune that appeals to many.

Whitewavemark2

Perhaps you could quote a post defending the male immigrants.

The majority of young men are Afghans fleeing from the Taliban. Many of them worked with our troops helping to protect them. The come to the U.K. because of their connection with our troops, the fact that they speak English and of course possible family connections.

The U.K. receives far fewer applications for asylum than France or Germany. We are not being overrun - we are just being told we are.

One real issue is that asylum seekers are not allowed to work whilst they are waiting for their application to be processed, so of course it means that the government has to oversee their welfare, from housing to feeding to education to safety.

When I said that the post was toxic, I later qualified it by suggesting that the day after day week after week of drip feed of moral panic contributes to the toxic atmosphere we find ourselves in.

Migration isn’t the panic, but fear mongering is. The more angry people get about migrants, the more clicks and shares these+posts get.

But it doesn’t mean that it is the full picture or even the correct one.

What we must realise is that SM rewards outrage. The more angrier a headline makes people the more clicks it gets.

But that does not mean it is true.

But what the SM and MSM and some politicians have learned that even if the headline is proven entirely untrue that it will “stick” with those people way down the rabbit hole of moral panic.

The latest pearl is Trumps “black children are natural killers”

Outrageous lie of course, but it will stick with sufficient people for it to become a meme that will get sufficient traction to add to the already toxicity in the hall of division and hate.

Why on earth bring Trump into this discussion?
You have your opinion to which you’re obviously entitled as I am and others are to theirs without being labelled as far right et cetera..
Genuine concern for people who are entering our country with no papers no idea who they are and what their intentions are does not make me a racist..

The latest pearl is Trumps “black children are natural killers”

We are discussing the UK, not the USA.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’m astonished at how many posters have sent supportive p.ms to me today on this topic. People who agree with many of us on here apparently!

More power to your elbow FGT…😉
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I understand why some people would send private messages, but I want to support you and to be seen to support your views.. As do quite a few of us, actually…🙂

Oh that reply was to woodenspoon btw

Perhaps you could quote a post defending the male immigrants.

The majority of young men are Afghans fleeing from the Taliban. Many of them worked with our troops helping to protect them. The come to the U.K. because of their connection with our troops, the fact that they speak English and of course possible family connections.

The U.K. receives far fewer applications for asylum than France or Germany. We are not being overrun - we are just being told we are.

One real issue is that asylum seekers are not allowed to work whilst they are waiting for their application to be processed, so of course it means that the government has to oversee their welfare, from housing to feeding to education to safety.

When I said that the post was toxic, I later qualified it by suggesting that the day after day week after week of drip feed of moral panic contributes to the toxic atmosphere we find ourselves in.

Migration isn’t the panic, but fear mongering is. The more angry people get about migrants, the more clicks and shares these+posts get.

But it doesn’t mean that it is the full picture or even the correct one.

What we must realise is that SM rewards outrage. The more angrier a headline makes people the more clicks it gets.

But that does not mean it is true.

But what the SM and MSM and some politicians have learned that even if the headline is proven entirely untrue that it will “stick” with those people way down the rabbit hole of moral panic.

The latest pearl is Trumps “black children are natural killers”

Outrageous lie of course, but it will stick with sufficient people for it to become a meme that will get sufficient traction to add to the already toxicity in the hall of division and hate.

If we (UK) got a grip and made coming here ‘less enticing’ escaped it would be a win for France as well as the UK. No more gatherings of migrants at Calais for a start. There’d be no point.

I’m astonished at how many posters have sent supportive p.ms to me today on this topic. People who agree with many of us on here apparently!

woodenspoon

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

What an excellent post woodenspoon

I for one would truly miss FGT2 posting these facts so please don't stop.

woodenspoon

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

Excellent post Woodenspoon
You have put it in a much more succinct manner than I could, so thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Something needs to change.
The pull factor for one.

Exactly, from what I've picked up, the French are pretty cross with the UK for making life seem so "attrayant" for asylum seekers. That means more than just attractive; more like inviting or enticing.
Although it annoys me, I don't blame France for doing the bare minimum to stop illegal migrants leaving France for the UK. It's absolutely in their interest to pass on as many illegal migrants as possible. The French french taxpayer wants fewer welfare dependants to support, France is already at an impasse itself.

He must be a racist then FGT if he’s moving them from 4* hotels into barracks. The poor desperate souls 😂😂

Labour are going to use old Army barracks. Do them up a bit. A good start yet they howled like mad (Bibby Stockholm) when the Tories proposed such.

It’s getting to Starmer now. He can’t out-Farage Refirm but he knows the public (many) are not happy with this situation.

Something needs to change.
The pull factor for one.

TikTok saying ‘you’ll be in barracks, no complimentary Play Stations etc’ would be a good deterrent.

By the way Primrose53 your post was NOT muddled.

woodenspoon

Whenever FGT posts about this topic the same names pop up in every thread defending these male migrants.

Now, of course, we have migrants working in the NHS but they have come in with documentation and are qualified and working legally, paying taxes as the British people mostly do. Not the same as boats full of fighting age men with destroyed paperwork who are NOT working, contributing, paying taxes but taking as much as they can from this country.

Of course there are backlogs in the NHS, because these jump to the top of the queue along with the Gazans due to land for operations on the NHS. They will also be allowed to claim benefits, be housed while they’re here and to claim asylum.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it. What’s in it for them? How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely? Why should we support them from our taxes? At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough? More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them? Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.

If FGTs post is toxic, as said by one of the usual suspects, what would she think of immigrants moving right next door to her in a HMO, paid for by her local council. Brighton I believe she said on another thread. I’m sure Brighton and Hove working residents would love it.

Love this post, would love to hear some responses to the questions posed.

Oreo

Teazel2

Frogoet

As to going back to Hitler-it’s tge perfect example of scapegoating which is going on in this thread. ‘They will turn against us’. Have you met any? Spoken to them.
With leave to stay they are exploited by low paid industry,

I feel its not acceptable to keep quoting Hitler just to try to induce some sort of guilt.

Hitler is brought out on forums when a poster has run out of things to say.
It has zilch to do with anything about people arriving illegally on boats from France.

Thank you 👏👏👏👏👏

I dislike the implication that I must automatically dislike or resent all immigrants, or that I’m unaware of the benefits brought by those coming here legally.
Me too. But a good 60%+ of GNs on these threads are looked upon as a homogenous group requiring diversity training! Simply because they don't agree with other posters' views.
I think the objections to asylum seekers raised on here come from many interesting angles, and to say so many GNs believe everything that is spouted is wrong.

woodenspoon... exactly my thoughts...good post. The recent flying of our flags is a protest against this government in my opinion.

Can some people on GN not understand that when hard working British families see AS being put up in very nice hotels by the seaside and enjoying all that Britain has to offer when they can't afford a week by the seaside..having to wait three weeks to see a doctor and the cost of living crippling them that they are rightly going to be very cross about it. Racism doesn't come into.

The AS should be housed at military bases and the law changed so they can be put to work while they are being processed.

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

A couple of people on here have mentioned Starmer wanting these immigrants because it means more votes for the LP. I believe this too. I also believe as soon as they’re in and settled they will turn on the LP. That’s when the trouble will really start!

I was discussing the small boats topic with my friend from Tanzania. I have said many times that she is so angry that she had to conform to the rules to come here legally after she met her British husband. I asked her what would happen if I went on holiday with her to Tanzania and liked it so much I decided to stay. She could not stop laughing! She said “you wouldn’t even be allowed IN without a return ticket!” She is 100% against the illegal immigrants coming here.

A very muddled post.

But basically you have a friend who is against irregular immigrants arriving on our shores.

Aren’t most people?

Oh so sorry. I didn’t realise I was posting under exam conditions.

Well put woodenspoon. at 12.08
Living next door to them could well bring a flood of I do, and don't have a problem comments.

I dislike the implication that I must automatically dislike or resent all immigrants, or that I’m unaware of the benefits brought by those coming here legally, or unaware of the circumstances in the countries they claim to come from.
(Claim, because without documentation we don’t know.)

However, like you, I feel this section asks pertinent questions that no one seems to answer.

I’d like to know from the usual suspects, those who think there’s nothing wrong with taxpayers funding these people forever and a day WHY they think it?

What’s in it for them?

How do they see this country supporting these migrants indefinitely?

Especially if their desire is to bring endless family to join them. The desire to do that is understandable, but the numbers simply multiply.

Why should we support them from our taxes?

At what point do these posters think hang on, enough is enough?

More importantly, do they have any of them living cheek by jowl next to them?

Do their jobs as charity operatives, for example, impact on their idealistic thinking? I think the rest of us should know.