Oops! The Prince formerly known as Duke drops another clanger!

Iam64

Doodledog

ferry23

I know I keep posting this - apologies to those who take the time to read the whole thread and those who are actively engaged. But it seems that it needs to be constantly repeated.

Sexual abuse is a crime if the victim is over the age of consent, especially when consent is not freely given or the relationship involves *exploitation or an abuse of power.*

Agreed (see my post above). Anyone having sex with a trafficked person is a sex offender. Doing it on foreign soil does not alter that, and nor does doing it on a 'private island'.

The entitlement of the men - all of them - involved in this (and possibly Maxwell too) is breathtaking.

I’m adding my support to these posts..

So am I.

But I remember the banging your head against the wall emoji that a poster used to use. We need it.

theworriedwell

Allira Ive said it is unusual but the point remains that women do it.

I'm not sure what that has to do with this case though. If Maxwell abused anyone she should be charged as they are. I don't know whether she did or not - at least whether she was physically involved in sexual relations (it seems as though she got some sort of kick out of seeing Epstein doing so) - but the fact that she is female is neither here nor there. Sex offences are sex offences, regardless of the sex, status or anything else about the perpetrators.

None of this is about being anti-royal, anti-men or anti-wealth. It is about being supportive of vulnerable people, particularly children, of either sex, irrespective of who was doing the abusing.

Doodlefog why only possibly for Maxwell? She's been convicted even though she's a privileged rich white woman so I'm pretty sure she's guilty.

Allira Ive said it is unusual but the point remains that women do it.

Doodledog

ferry23

I know I keep posting this - apologies to those who take the time to read the whole thread and those who are actively engaged. But it seems that it needs to be constantly repeated.

Sexual abuse is a crime if the victim is over the age of consent, especially when consent is not freely given or the relationship involves *exploitation or an abuse of power.*

Agreed (see my post above). Anyone having sex with a trafficked person is a sex offender. Doing it on foreign soil does not alter that, and nor does doing it on a 'private island'.

The entitlement of the men - all of them - involved in this (and possibly Maxwell too) is breathtaking.

I’m adding my support to these posts..

ferry23

I know I keep posting this - apologies to those who take the time to read the whole thread and those who are actively engaged. But it seems that it needs to be constantly repeated.

Sexual abuse is a crime if the victim is over the age of consent, especially when consent is not freely given or the relationship involves *exploitation or an abuse of power.*

Agreed (see my post above). Anyone having sex with a trafficked person is a sex offender. Doing it on foreign soil does not alter that, and nor does doing it on a 'private island'.

The entitlement of the men - all of them - involved in this (and possibly Maxwell too) is breathtaking.

I know I keep posting this - apologies to those who take the time to read the whole thread and those who are actively engaged. But it seems that it needs to be constantly repeated.

Sexual abuse is a crime if the victim is over the age of consent, especially when consent is not freely given or the relationship involves exploitation or an abuse of power.

theworriedwell

Allira

Women do behave like this, not all obviously but some definitely do. Forcing themselves on under-age boys?

The Macrons? She was his teacher wasn't she. Down here in sleepy Devon a woman who worked in a nursery was sexually abusing babies. I don't imagine it's common but it happens. Not to mention Maxwells activities enabling Epstein.

I remember the Devon case, but it is a much more rare occurrence, theworriedwell

Every single one of them.

I believe this case is under US Jurisdiction anyhow, not UK. Which is why I would be surprised if Andrew ever steps foot on US soil again.

Here is the VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING AND VIOLENCE PROTECTION ACT OF 2000 (sorry for the caps, I was being lazy and copied and pasted the title)

2009-2017.state.gov/j/tip/laws/61124.htm

Andrew, and everyone else on that list, need to be held accountable. They should be tried and, if convicted, sentenced to the appropriate jail time.

Here is an AI overview of the timeline of events.

AI Overview
Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew's timeline spans from alleged encounters in the early 2000s to the 2022 settlement of her civil lawsuit. Key dates include Giuffre's 2014 lawsuit alleging she was sex trafficked to Andrew, his 2019 interview denying the claims, the August 2021 filing of the lawsuit, and the February 2022 out-of-court settlement that included a substantial donation to Giuffre's charity.

2000-2002: Giuffre alleges she was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell to meet Prince Andrew, and claims they had multiple sexual encounters during this period.

2014: In a Florida court filing, Giuffre publicly alleges that she was trafficked to Prince Andrew by Epstein and Maxwell and forced to have sex with him. Andrew denies any wrongdoing.

November 2019: In a BBC interview, Prince Andrew denies having sexual contact with Giuffre.

May 2020: Following criticism over his ties to Epstein, Prince Andrew announces he will step down from his public royal duties.

August 9, 2021: Virginia Giuffre files a civil lawsuit in New York, accusing Prince Andrew of sexual abuse when she was a minor.

January 12, 2022: A U.S. judge rejects Prince Andrew's motion to dismiss the case, allowing the lawsuit to proceed.

February 15, 2022: Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre reach a settlement in the civil lawsuit. As part of the settlement, Andrew makes a "substantial donation" to Giuffre's charity and acknowledges his association with Epstein and his regret

Allira

^Women do behave like this, not all obviously but some definitely do.^ Forcing themselves on under-age boys?

The Macrons? She was his teacher wasn't she. Down here in sleepy Devon a woman who worked in a nursery was sexually abusing babies. I don't imagine it's common but it happens. Not to mention Maxwells activities enabling Epstein.

I think the offences were before that though butterandjam.

merlotgran

25Avalon

But is Andrew a sex offender in this country?

I don’t see how he can be as Virginia Guiffre was over the age of consent at the time.

Still a horrible creep though

"In cases of human trafficking, the concept of consent is legally voided"

see

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/53A

quote "The offense of paying for sex with an exploited person

Under Section 53A of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is a crime to pay for the sexual services of a prostitute who has been subjected to force, threats, deception, or coercion.
The law explicitly states that the buyer's knowledge is not a factor. This "no-fault" approach means a person can be convicted even if they were genuinely unaware that the sex worker was being exploited.
This provision was added to combat the demand that drives sex trafficking.

Why consent is not a defense
In cases of human trafficking, the concept of consent is legally voided.

A trafficked person is under duress, coercion, or deception. Any "consent" they offer is not freely given but is a direct result of their exploitation."

One of the more disgusting revelations of the Channel 5 programme last night which, to me, illustrates the sheer stomach churning physicality of the abuse that 17 year old girl suffered, was that no condoms were worn. Ugh!!!

Prince? Piece of filth if true.

She was scared of Maxwell.
She was with a friend of Maxwell's
She was in a foreign country.
What do you think Andrew would have done if she told him?

Yep. And their father still stopped them from seeing her via restraining order.

Her family alleges was one of the things that pushed her to suicide. He last note in her diary was a note to her children.

The Giuffre children are 19, 16 and 15.

Because she alleged that he was controlling and abusive in her final months. He also stopped her from seeing her children, which her family alleged pushed her to suicide.

After reading your posts, I don't think you know very much about Virginia's actual story. Or anything about Domestic Violence victims. Or trafficked people for that matter.

ronib

OldFrill Virginia G’s husband has to help his 3 children make sense not only of their mother’s life but also of her suicide. He is likely to be grieving too. Why not feel sorry for him?

I've no idea if he has contact with his children (imagine all adults now) so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel sorry about . I think it is probably in their best interests that they remain anonymous. I can't imagine anything positive in bringing them to the thread.

No OldFrill I would believe anyone who said that they were being trafficked and I would try to help them.

OldFrill Virginia G’s husband has to help his 3 children make sense not only of their mother’s life but also of her suicide. He is likely to be grieving too. Why not feel sorry for him?

ronib

If it’s true that Virginia spoke to Andrew about Diana, then why on earth didn’t she tell him that she was being trafficked?

She probably thought everyone she could tell would be like you. Call her a lying, blackmailing prostitute. That's part of how trafficked, coerced, vulnerable people feel, that and fear of violence and death.

Quote ronib Sun 26-Oct-25 16:11:55
If it’s true that Virginia spoke to Andrew about Diana, then why on earth didn’t she tell him that she was being trafficked?

Sorry much difficulty posting, not fat fingered but loss os use of fingers

The alleged boyfriend said he and Virginia spoke o Diana’s death, it frightened her. I assume he was paid for telling this story

Sorry, that should be Anniebach - fat finger syndrome there!