Oops! The Prince formerly known as Duke drops another clanger!

Anniebach

An opinion on a discussion ,really

I'm not sure what you're getting at there, Anngiebach? One minute you're claiming discussion isn't allowed unless you agree with the majority, but the next you're taking issue with me stating that people can express whatever opinion they like - but you or I or anyone else don't have to agree with that.

If it’s true that Virginia spoke to Andrew about Diana, then why on earth didn’t she tell him that she was being trafficked?

25Avalon

But is Andrew a sex offender in this country?

I would say that someone who knowingly has sex with someone who has been trafficked is a sex offender, yes. Wherever it happened, and wherever he resides. As I understand it, private islands do not operate outside of legal jurisdictions, so owners and guests, however wealthy and/or 'well-born' are not at liberty to disregard legislation.

If the trafficked girl was also of an age with the offender's daughters it adds a very distasteful dimension, and if he lied publicly about knowing her whilst admitting privately that he did, adding that there 'might be' a photograph of himself and the trafficked girl then that points very clearly to his being fully aware that he was committing an offence.

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

An ex boyfriend has posted photograph of him and Virginia and told the world she phoned him when she was involved with Andrew, they talked of the death of Diana, !

ronib

I feel desperately sad for Virginia G’s three children and also her husband and father who remain accused by her of abuse.

Why you feel sorry for her abusers is beyond me. Official court records confirm her husband was put on probation for domestic violence in Colorado.

An opinion on a discussion ,really

And that's just someone's opinion - that's what discussion is all about. You don't have to agree with it.

A poster is told “I find it hard to believe you claim to be a mother and grandmother, quite honestly “

ronib

There was a very serious issue with IT security therefore in Royal Lodge. Emails should be properly protected. Unless of course it’s being deliberately leaked?
I am interested that no one is commenting on the role of Virginia G as a blackmailer?

Blackmailers don't sue people in civil courts. Andrew could have defended himself had he chosen to do so.

I feel desperately sad for Virginia G’s three children and also her husband and father who remain accused by her of abuse.

Allira

Of course, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Ghislaine Maxwell were friends and moved in the same social circles.

This is reminding me of the friendship groups in the Profumo scandal

Of course, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Ghislaine Maxwell were friends and moved in the same social circles.

Galaxy

That isn't true, I am often in the minority, I cope. People challenging a viewpoint, doesn't mean we aren't discussing things, it means we disagree.

Indeed, we are all adults on here and it should be possible for us to agree to disagree on almost any subject. I definitely don't see it a case of discussion only being possible if you are agreeing with the majority.

And what was even worse was the involvement of a woman who could lay on the charm, show interest in young girls she met in parks etc and persuade them she was interested in helping them.

Virginia Guiffre was by no means the only child procured for Epstein by Maxwell.

I think I read somewhere that Maxwell was introduced to Epstein by her father Robert, which would not be surprising. He was a nasty piece of work too.

I feel I should add, the majority are horrified by this abuse and disgusted by PAs behaviour as well as the behaviour of so called grooming gangs.
Epstein and the gangs in the uk operate in the well known manner of abusers. Identify a vulnerable girl, (or boy), seduce and groom, get them believing they’re special, abuse and humiliate

That isn't true, I am often in the minority, I cope. People challenging a viewpoint, doesn't mean we aren't discussing things, it means we disagree.

Thst simply isn’t true anniebach. There have been examples of debate as well as irritation on the discussions about Prince Andrew and the organised groups exploiting and abusing the vulnerable. These subjects inevitably raise emotions

Anniebach

Discussion is not possible on GransNet unless one goes with the majority

That is not true Anniebach.
It's not just a different point of view with points being put forward and refuted.

Some of the rhetoric on here is inflammatory about someone who has died and is unable to sue.

Discussion is not possible on GransNet unless one goes with the majority

I'm just appalled by some of the things you have posted ronib.

I find it hard to believe that you claim to be a mother and grandmother, quite honestly.

ronib

Yes she was all of those things….and she knew how to extract a financial benefit from her experiences. I don’t criticise her for that. It’s a statement of fact. To some people she might appear to have been a blackmailer, especially to Prince Andrew.
Are you Prince William? ferry23

You are criticising her from every possible angle you can think of ronib. It’s not washing though because this is not about her, it is about Andrew. Would you like to address some of the other issues he was involved in, rather than continue your intense focus on a girl who was 17, and is now dead?

OldFrill

Is ronib Prince Andrew, seems to have the same dubious friends.

🤔

Or Jonathan Aitken, perhaps?

Yes she was all of those things….and she knew how to extract a financial benefit from her experiences. I don’t criticise her for that. It’s a statement of fact. To some people she might appear to have been a blackmailer, especially to Prince Andrew.
Are you Prince William? ferry23

Good Lord. Not satisfied with just calling her a prostitute, now she's a blackmailer as well!
She was a victim. She may not have been perfect, but none of us are. First and foremost she was an abused, trafficked, manipulated and tragic victim

Are you really Prince Andrew?