Oops! The Prince formerly known as Duke drops another clanger!

Casdon

ronib

Casdon The National Trafficking Helpline is run by Polaris. So what do you think SOAR does?

It would be good if you would admit when you make incorrect assumptions ronib. You said SOAR wasn’t operational. It is. The link I provided tells you what they do, you don’t need to move on to something else to try to smokescreen that you were wrong.

Banging head against wall emoji needed, Casdon.

When I posted 'done and dusted' Iam I was referring to the on going drip feeding of claims and allegations against PA. Had the case gone to court everything would have been out in the open. IMO it's a shame for all concerned that this never happened.

Oh dear here we go again but Coming Soon is the response I get when I click on the links provided on the SOAR website. Casdon but you have checked these too?

ronib

Casdon The National Trafficking Helpline is run by Polaris. So what do you think SOAR does?

It would be good if you would admit when you make incorrect assumptions ronib. You said SOAR wasn’t operational. It is. The link I provided tells you what they do, you don’t need to move on to something else to try to smokescreen that you were wrong.

Casdon The National Trafficking Helpline is run by Polaris. So what do you think SOAR does?

I thought it would have been in America, no ?

For those who believe that getting a case to court equals done and dusted - I don’t mean to offend anyone but, I can only conclude yiu have little, if any, experience of supporting victims through complex court proceedings.

It is ronib.
www.speakoutactreclaim.org/about-us

My understanding is that SOAR is yet to become operational…. I would love to be wrong.

I agree Mollygo and it would also have differentiated between allegations/claims and facts.

Smileless2012

Yes I'm sure it was a factor Maremia but I do think it's a shame that it didn't go to court because at least it would have been 'done and dusted'.

It would have hopefully meant that all the stuff we are being drip fed with currently, would have been out in the open earlier.

But this wasn't a criminal procedure, but civil. They goal was money, she got money.

I wish there had been a criminal case as that would have put it all on the table in discovery.

Yes I'm sure it was a factor Maremia but I do think it's a shame that it didn't go to court because at least it would have been 'done and dusted'.

Maremia

Why did she settle out of court? Seriously?
The strain she was under would have been a factor. The strain that apparently led to her demise.

A young woman trying to fight the Establishment with all their power?
She had no chance.
As it was Andrew was trying to misuse his supposed power as a member of the Royal Family to find out anything untoward she might have done.

The nerve of the man!

I can absolutely see why she settled. She wasn't going to get justice, she was traumatized and wanted to help other trafficked girls.

I would have settled too. I think most Americans would. We know the justice system is rigged for the privileged.

For what it's worth.

Why did she settle out of court? Seriously?
The strain she was under would have been a factor. The strain that apparently led to her demise.

I didn't say it was a personal attack ViceVersa, I said it's rather personal.

A general observation of which posts Allira because I haven't seen anyone vilifying child victims here.

Smileless2012

^I am just amazed that posters (women, I think, but we can't be sure of course) are vilifying child victims here and not the evil perpetrators.

That is rather personal ViceVersa and there's been no evidence to support it. People have different opinions; women don't always agree with other women, just because they're women.

But a 'personal attack' on who? Was that remark aimed at one poster in particular, because that's what I would class as a 'personal attack'.

It was not a personal attack

It was a general observation about something I find quite beyond belief.

^I am just amazed that posters (women, I think, but we can't be sure of course) are vilifying child victims here and not the evil perpetrators.

That is rather personal ViceVersa and there's been no evidence to support it. People have different opinions; women don't always agree with other women, just because they're women.

Anniebach

More personal attacks, in a discussion !

Where? I haven't seen any personal attacks on posters in this thread?

I don't know who you're suggesting is vilifying child victims Allira but that isn't what I'm doing and being a child victim myself, I find your suggestion highly offensive.

More personal attacks, in a discussion !

Casdon

Anniebach she founded a U.S. non-profit organisation called Victims Refuse Silence in 2015 to support survivors of sex trafficking, which was later relaunched as Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR) in November 2021. Giuffre was an advocate for survivors and was known for her role in high-profile cases.

Thanks Casdon, that's what I was looking for.

I am just amazed that posters (women, I think, but we can't be sure, of course) are vilifying child victims here and not the evil perpetrators.

It's truly sickening, it really is.

Casdon

Mollygo

Smileless2012

Yes I know that butterandjam and as Annie's posted she accepted the money as an out of court settlement. She could have gone to court and won a financial settlement if she'd won the case.

I never understood why she accepted that settlement when she’d have won the case.

I think it’s because the legal system is stacked in favour of the privileged Mollygo, they can afford the very best lawyers, who keep raising new points of law, and delay and delay cases so that the legal costs for the person who has brought the case are crippling, and they are forced to give up.

I expect Ms Guiffre was advised to settle out of court because she and her advisors would know she was up against the powerful Establishment.

She had been subjected to so much sexual abuse by Epstein and Maxwell, plus others that she thought she would die from it all. How could she escape? It was impossible.

She said the settlement would be used to help other trafficked girls.