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All these tests these days

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Nov-25 09:55:20

I am off tomorrow at 11.30 to have a periodic mot blood test for various functions, like blood sugar, cholesterol, and other indicators. It really is a form of preventative medicine - hopefully anything can be caught at an early stage to save the nhs money and me grief, and the family hassle.

I also get my BP measured regularly.

keepingquiet Thu 06-Nov-25 09:46:49

It's about balance and the right information for me.
A year ago I was told my BP was high and I might need statins.
I questioned this as a result of a one-off reading and my cholestoral proved to be borderline.
I have not gone on statins.
My BP when read last week was 'perfect' as the nurse said.
Part of the problem is people lack confidence in using their own judgement and so get caught up in the process...but it's a tough one.

M0nica Thu 06-Nov-25 09:42:03

I think sometimes the changes in the range of people covered for tests is because there has been a change in the pattern of a disease and a group is now affected that wasn't in the past.

Both bowel, breast and cervical cancer have become more common in younger age groups, so testing is being expanded. the same with high blood pressure and diabetes.

The biggest problem is that the range of information a test for one problem can reveal. I was misdiagnosed with minor stroke a few years ago and had a brain MRI. Apart from revealing no evidence of a stroke it revealed, first, that I had a hole in my heart, not uncommon 25% of the population have one. Further testing revealed it was so small that if it been only a millimetre smaller they would not have been able to find it.

they also discovered that I had a small, slow growing benign tumour in my brain, a meningioma. Again these are not uncommon, rarely cause any problems, all that is needed is an annual scan, that shows that nothing is changing.

I have decided not to mention this to my children because it is unlikely to ever cause me any problems or contribute to the causes of my death, whenever that may be.. In the meanwhile why worry them about something that is highly improbable to ever cause me a problem.

agnurse Thu 06-Nov-25 04:30:26

Back in I think it was the 70s there was a journal article titled "Uncle Remus and the Cascade Effect in Clinical Medicine: Br'er Rabbit Kicks the Tar-Baby". In the classic story of Br'er Rabbit and the Tar-Baby, the other animals make a figure out of tar to play a joke. Br'er Rabbit approaches the figure and is annoyed when it does not answer his greeting. Eventually, he decides to teach the figure a lesson, and punches it. Of course, he gets stuck in the tar. The more he attempts to fight it, the deeper he is sucked in to the sticky tar. The author compares this to a care provider doing all sorts of tests for the simple reason that it is possible to do them. The more tests you do, the more likely you are to find something wrong - especially because with the way the tests are designed, a small number of healthy people are going to have an abnormal result. Of course, being a professional, if you find something abnormal, you're going to want to do something about it. The concern, though, is that, in a manner reminiscent of Br'er Rabbit, the provider ends up going further and further down a path involving increasingly more invasive procedures and additional testing - for a problem that may well have questionable clinical significance. The example the author gives in the article is that it's not uncommon for people to have a benign mass on their adrenal gland. In some cases, this mass may be a pheochromocytoma, which is a benign tumour that secretes adrenaline. This can be dangerous because it can cause an increase in heart rate and blood pressure that can put stress on the heart. In truth, though, while a benign adrenal mass is common, a pheochromocytoma is rare, so more than likely the mass is not significant - but of course, because you went looking for it and you found it, you now feel obligated to attempt to fix it.

Another example, one that wasn't mentioned in the article but is something I have heard of, is the age at which a smear test is recommended. It used to be the case that it was recommended for every woman at 18 years old, even if she had never had sex. Subsequently, it was discovered that in many cases of HPV with related cervical changes, if they're occuring in women under 21 years old, the body will typically clear the virus and any associated cell changes within 3 years. No need to do anything. But of course, if you found something, you'd want to address it - and depending on what you found, it could require more frequent monitoring, colposcopy, or even cervical biopsy. At best, this could cause unnecessary worry and unnecessary procedures with associated costs. At worst, if biopsies were taken, it can potentially affect a woman's ability to carry a pregnancy to term, because biopsies can thin the cervix and make it more likely to open too early. They subsequently increased the age at first screening (I think to 25 or something), and indicated that it should only be done at least three years after first intimate sexual contact, whichever is later.

Screening is all about balancing the risk of missing something important and the risk of finding something of questionable clinical significance, which you then feel obligated to address (with associated costs and risks to the patient).

nanna8 Thu 06-Nov-25 02:33:19

I was thinking of the numerous blood tests etc we have these days. Far more than when I was younger and far more technology available. They pick up all sorts of things before you are even aware of any symptoms. Mostly this is a good thing but sometimes ,well, I’d rather not know especially when there is no way of treating what is found. I have been told I have chronic kidney disease but it doesn’t warrant any treatment, not that bad. Did I want to know this? Also there are cholesterol issues - well I take tablets for that and don’t want to take a higher dose because of side effects. Other things which can’t be treated anyway. Sometimes it seems we know too much! Ignorance is bliss ?