The latest dog killing

I don't think dog licences are an answer to this problem. I used to run a post office, issuing a dog licence was a rare occurrence and I am not aware of anyone who was ever asked if they had one or to produce it, so just a money making exercise with no enforcement.

There is no such thing as a totally trustworthy dog which is why they should never be left unattended with babies and small children, and as children grow they should be taught how to behave around them.

It annoys me to see little ones pulling their ears and tails and riding on their backs. They're animals, not toys.

surfsup

Oh really? I thought they were banned, my mistake.

You are right they are banned, in that they all should be registered (but many aren't), it's illegal to breed them (as they have to be neutered the theory is the breed will die out) and you can't import them. Regardless there are officially 55,000 registered and goodness knows how many not registered.

I hope the owners/keepers are prosecuted even if they are the baby's parents.

Oh really? I thought they were banned, my mistake.

surfsup

I’m very much a dog lover; an animal lover in general and I’m not scared of big dogs but these xl bullies terrify me. They’re supposed to be banned but I still see them. I wouldn’t visit a house with one of them in situ and I certainly wouldn’t take a baby anywhere near one. Without a doubt there is something genetically wrong with these dogs.

XL bullies aren't banned in the UK but they have to be registered, neutered (no breeding) and wear muzzles when out.
There are 55,000 XL Bullies registered in the UK, that's 55,000 I love dogs but these muscle machines scare me to death.

I’m very much a dog lover; an animal lover in general and I’m not scared of big dogs but these xl bullies terrify me. They’re supposed to be banned but I still see them. I wouldn’t visit a house with one of them in situ and I certainly wouldn’t take a baby anywhere near one. Without a doubt there is something genetically wrong with these dogs.

Your right, I would never leave a baby alone with a dog, I had a jack Russell who turned on our cat and tried to snap her neck, he kept banging her off the floor , I had to get the broom To him to make him let go it was traumatic for the kids, she hissed at him and that set him off,he was with us 5 years and she was 12,
I rehomed him to an couple without children or cats.
But I still say as an adult walking along the road and a dog came bounding towards me I d still rather fight off a Jack Russell with a hope to survive

When our baby was just starting to walk, we thought it would be an idea to have a dog. Both my husband and I had grown up with dogs and were used to them. We wanted our child to have the same advantage.
The dog we found was wonderful. She fitted well, we had her professionally trained and she adored the baby, spending most of her time asleep as near as she could get to her. (She was never left alone with her though).
One day, our toddler was walking down the stairs holding my hand. The dog was upstairs asleep. Then the doorbell went and before we knew it, the dog hurtled down the stairs barking. If I hadn’t been holding tight to the baby, she would have gone flying, and we were at the top of the stairs so it could have been fatal. This situation had never arisen before, so I had never thought there would be an issue. Instinct had overtaken the good training of our dog.
We had no choice but to re-home her. We were sad but we knew that was what we had to do.
We learnt that day that no amount of training can override a dog’s natural instinct.
We never had another dog.

If a dog is very protective of someone isn’t that a red flag situation?

Totally agree with that post Monica everyone says their dog is wonderful with the child until……….. and dog any size can turn on a child

cobden28 my grandson is 7 months old and my daughter's dog is a 3 yr old cockerpoo who is totally trustworthy with my grandson and very protective of him, It all depends on the breed of dog and how it's brought up as to whether it's reliable around babies and children.

Every times a dog attacks a baby or young todller, the owners always say exactly what you have just said

We were in the kitchen. My 13 month old grandson toddled up to my spaniel and took one long ear in either hand, I was a step away and there at speed. I released his hands while talking quietly. It happened in a blink. The dog stood steady but of course, it could have been a face bite incident. She really is a sweet natured girl who loves the children.

My dogs are fed, sleep and are usually in the utility when small children are here. We are all sensible and careful but this incident shows how quickly disaster could strike. I’m as confident as anyone could be both my dogs love the children and neither has ever shown aggression to people or children. The spaniel is sweet, gentle, obedient and affectionate. Same with the big dog unless you’re a jack russell.

Why anyone wants a dog bred for aggression living in a famiky remains a mystery to me

Allira I think it’s fine that this thread has evolved into other dog problems They are all linked, the fact that dogs have been elevated to above animal status is all part of the problem

I agree! You can NEVER assume a baby is safe with an animal, however gentle.
Any animal would respond badly if hurt, and it could happen that the baby might grab for the dog and accidentally hurt it. In which case, it would be a natural, and understandable, reaction for the dog to snap.

maisonlaw.com/personal-injury/dog-bites/cocker-spaniel-attacks/

With their long back teeth, bite pressure for a Cocker Spaniel has been measured at around 235 pounds per square inch. With a bite like that, they can do some serious damage, especially if a child is the victim and has been bitten on the hands, arms, neck or face. If the attacking dog clamps on and shakes its head when biting, skin can be torn away with muscles and nerves being permanently torn and damaged.

@cobden 22

* my grandson is 7 months old and my daughter's dog is a 3 yr old cockerpoo who is totally trustworthy with my grandson*

He alsolotely is NOT absolutely trustworthy with a 7 month baby, because he is a dog with teeth.

Your daughter's delusion will end on a day when the baby's being a baby , chasing poking, pestering, grabs that toy or chew . On the very same day the dog is feeling overstimulated, defensive, hot, tired, a little unwell, and responds exactly like an irritated spaniel dog.

He's going to bite the baby.

Male Cocker spaniels do like to be top dog, in my experience.

BlueBelle

When I was a child my parents bought a golden spaniel home it took a dislike to my Nan (who was a dog lover) and it bit her arm the dog had to go we d only had him a short while Any dog can be dangerous but a bite from a cocker is not likely to be the same as a bite from a Bully or a cane corso
In my opinion these made up breeds HAVE to go as soon as possible
I have just read about a bad case in Australia recently of a breeder (I think) was set on and the paramedics couldn’t get near him so the dogs had to be shot I ll see if I can find the write up

I'd be interested too, Bluebelle.

Yes, as I said earlier- it is often just about the money...

Breeding needs more restrictions. When o was looking for a lab I was asked £3000 by a hobby breeder. She wouldn’t tell me how many or how frequently the bitch had been bred from

I paid £1000 after getting a reference from a trainer who’d known four of my dogs. The breeders never advertise, only sell to people they know or recommended. Saw his parents and the litter. Breeder told me we are here for his life, problems arise come to us.

They were registered and well known in lab showing and working communities. All breeders should be registered and regularly inspected. Bitches shouldn’t be crated and producing frequent litters. These things cost money though

Allira

Why not start a chatty thread about dogs, everyone?

This thread started as a news item about the tragic death of a defenceless baby, killed by what we now know is an XL Bully.
The parents have been arrested.

I can't tell people what to post, of course, but chatting about Christmas presents for pampered pets, dogs being walked in pushchairs etc etc is way off beam.

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It's come from the idea that there is an industry encouraging people to see dogs as members of the family, so take less care about leaving them with babies and small children. It's a tangent, maybe, but not off-topic 'chat'.

Bluebell, I just read that it was in the daily mail ,he was set upon in his house by his 3 CrossBull Arabs huge dogs they were sedated and taken away in blood soaked sheets it says,

BlueBelle

When I was a child my parents bought a golden spaniel home it took a dislike to my Nan (who was a dog lover) and it bit her arm the dog had to go we d only had him a short while Any dog can be dangerous but a bite from a cocker is not likely to be the same as a bite from a Bully or a cane corso
In my opinion these made up breeds HAVE to go as soon as possible
I have just read about a bad case in Australia recently of a breeder (I think) was set on and the paramedics couldn’t get near him so the dogs had to be shot I ll see if I can find the write up

Back in the day golden cocker spaniels were known to be dangerous due to inbreeding. Thankfully the trait has been bred out of them now.

When I was a child my parents bought a golden spaniel home it took a dislike to my Nan (who was a dog lover) and it bit her arm the dog had to go we d only had him a short while Any dog can be dangerous but a bite from a cocker is not likely to be the same as a bite from a Bully or a cane corso
In my opinion these made up breeds HAVE to go as soon as possible
I have just read about a bad case in Australia recently of a breeder (I think) was set on and the paramedics couldn’t get near him so the dogs had to be shot I ll see if I can find the write up