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Should the BBC be defunded?

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Sago Mon 10-Nov-25 09:20:15

The government is committed to upholding the licence fee until the current Charter period ends on December 31, 2027.

After this should the BBC be defunded?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-Nov-25 09:12:42

nanna8

What they need to do is weed out the biased reporters , keep the rest and be very careful who they take on in the future. No members of any political party. The BBC has a long and illustrious history and to defund it would be quite dangerous,leaving the way open to even worse bias.

That’s wrong. Reporters report. Editors edit. Board members set the tone and bias. Some board members are political
appointees. Wrong imo.

There should be no political appointees anywhere near an organisation whose remit is unbiased broadcasting.

Grantanow Wed 12-Nov-25 09:45:05

No. It should be funded from general taxation.

Oreo Wed 12-Nov-25 09:51:19

foxie48

I think what needs to be understood is that the BBC does not make most of it's own programmes now. The BBC commissions it's programmes from independent companies who use staff that have not been trained to BBC standards. This is a real problem in terms of monitoring quality. The Panorama programme, just like the Gaza programme was made by an independent company and bought in by the BBC.

They won’t just air any programme without oversight of it. So are we to believe the people responsible for that job just wave things through and are incompetent? Or that they don’t care? Or that they themselves are heavily biased? Because it must be one of those reasons.

Oreo Wed 12-Nov-25 09:51:52

And that’s what needs to change.

flappergirl Wed 12-Nov-25 10:02:08

No.

Wyllow3 Wed 12-Nov-25 11:20:11

Oreo

foxie48

I think what needs to be understood is that the BBC does not make most of it's own programmes now. The BBC commissions it's programmes from independent companies who use staff that have not been trained to BBC standards. This is a real problem in terms of monitoring quality. The Panorama programme, just like the Gaza programme was made by an independent company and bought in by the BBC.

They won’t just air any programme without oversight of it. So are we to believe the people responsible for that job just wave things through and are incompetent? Or that they don’t care? Or that they themselves are heavily biased? Because it must be one of those reasons.

Or simply, sometimes, in every single area of our life, mistakes get made, things get past oversight.

Tighten things up. ^Of course they care*

sigh

They know reputations hang on it. But with an output of thousands upon thousands of hours every year I don't expect any organisation to get it right ALL the time.

So its none of those so called reasons, Oreo.

Just another chance on this thread to knock our brilliant Beeb specifically

Allira Wed 12-Nov-25 11:24:08

Whitewavemark2

nanna8

What they need to do is weed out the biased reporters , keep the rest and be very careful who they take on in the future. No members of any political party. The BBC has a long and illustrious history and to defund it would be quite dangerous,leaving the way open to even worse bias.

That’s wrong. Reporters report. Editors edit. Board members set the tone and bias. Some board members are political
appointees. Wrong imo.

There should be no political appointees anywhere near an organisation whose remit is unbiased broadcasting.

Well said.

Allira Wed 12-Nov-25 11:26:59

Allira

Whitewavemark2

nanna8

What they need to do is weed out the biased reporters , keep the rest and be very careful who they take on in the future. No members of any political party. The BBC has a long and illustrious history and to defund it would be quite dangerous,leaving the way open to even worse bias.

That’s wrong. Reporters report. Editors edit. Board members set the tone and bias. Some board members are political
appointees. Wrong imo.

There should be no political appointees anywhere near an organisation whose remit is unbiased broadcasting.

Well said.

www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications/

There may be more!

LemonJam Wed 12-Nov-25 11:37:45

No. I belive all democracies need a public funded national broadcaster. This has the best chance of providing high factual, unbiased news. This is not to say I am right/left or middle ground on my personal politics, merely that I believe it is a model that is in a democratic society's best interests.

The BBC as a broadcaster is unusually well respected globally and for the most provides reliable news. This has made it effective, thus far, in countering efforts to fragment, radicalise and reject it from the media information space.

If UK politics were to go further down the US path of extreme right wing polarisation, trending towards civil unrest, that would not be good for there UK in my view.

The BBC has apologised for this editing decision on the Trump programme it broadcasted. In the overall context of its proven high factual, low bias, well regarded and for the most part highly trusted global reputation, this editing decision does not render it corrupt and of no value. Thats is an irrational, over the top, throw the bay out of the bath water reaction in my view. It has been whipped up to such a storm as to now empower Trump and his fellow travellers in UK right wing politics to portray the BBC as irredeemably corrupt and sue for defamation. There is insufficient evidence to support this allegation.

The frenzy is out of proportion to the offence but consistent with the long standing vendetta against the BBC and the licence fee. The BBC is a target for rival news organisations that resent its unique status and privileged funding. The licence fee funded model is threatening to the radical right as an example of a mutually funded public good. Thy4 will pounce on every single mistake, to editorial standards they do not aspire to or achieve themselves.

The BBC's efforts to avoid political partisanship, imperfectly realised but sincere, ironically results in a vulnerability BBC's detractors exploit. It is impossible in such a global, huge organisation to get editorial decisions perfect all the time, only aspire to highest levels. Every time the BBC gets something wrong it beats itself up when exposed to a misdemeanour. Thus a trusted news source, more trusted that Trump, more trusted than other news outlets for the majority of the time, more trusted than political detractors currently wading in (e.g Boris, Farage et al) is forced to defend its trustworthiness.

I respect and accept those who are up in arms about this particular BBC editing decision. However if the UK currently public funded national broadcaster, the BBC, is not there a dangerous vacuum is created. I suggest that will be more politically biased, less factually correct, more corrupt and, as currently in the US.

If defunded, customers will still need to pay a connection fee. The loss and risks is too great in my view.

Oreo Wed 12-Nov-25 11:48:51

Wyllow3

Oreo

foxie48

I think what needs to be understood is that the BBC does not make most of it's own programmes now. The BBC commissions it's programmes from independent companies who use staff that have not been trained to BBC standards. This is a real problem in terms of monitoring quality. The Panorama programme, just like the Gaza programme was made by an independent company and bought in by the BBC.

They won’t just air any programme without oversight of it. So are we to believe the people responsible for that job just wave things through and are incompetent? Or that they don’t care? Or that they themselves are heavily biased? Because it must be one of those reasons.

Or simply, sometimes, in every single area of our life, mistakes get made, things get past oversight.

Tighten things up. ^Of course they care*

sigh

They know reputations hang on it. But with an output of thousands upon thousands of hours every year I don't expect any organisation to get it right ALL the time.

So its none of those so called reasons, Oreo.

*Just another chance on this thread to knock our brilliant Beeb specifically*

It wasn’t mistakes it was deliberate in all areas of where they got things done.Not just Trump and the two speeches but deliberate bias.
Am not sure the Beeb is all that brilliant but it did have a certain reputation and now not so much.
It doesn’t have to be defunded, tho that’s an option I suppose, it’s more that there has to be more fairness and even handedness in their reporting.
They also haven’t recovered yet from various mishandling of situations and people such as Savile and Huw Edwards.

Gummie Wed 12-Nov-25 12:04:30

No

I'm very upset and angry with them that they did this stupid edit about Trump.

But otherwise I'd be bereft if anything happened to change the BBC funding. I am a very happy to pay the TV fee for the BBC.

fancythat Wed 12-Nov-25 12:30:14

^It wasn’t mistakes it was deliberate in all areas of where they got things done.Not just Trump and the two speeches but deliberate bias.
Am not sure the Beeb is all that brilliant but it did have a certain reputation and now not so much.
It doesn’t have to be defunded, tho that’s an option I suppose, it’s more that there has to be more fairness and even handedness in their reporting.
They also haven’t recovered yet from various mishandling of situations and people such as Savile and Huw Edwards.^

Absolutely.

They are not mistakes.

When everything is added up...

And you dont just go around messing with a speech of a Country's Leader.
And not apologise either.
Though I suspect an apology will be forthcoming. From someone.

nanna8 Wed 12-Nov-25 12:36:56

If they do not apologise I think they are finished. Sadly. Wake up BBC !

Lathyrus3 Wed 12-Nov-25 13:26:20

Ooops. I accidentally cut two tapes and spliced them together.

Quite unintentional.

My mistake.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lathyrus3 Wed 12-Nov-25 13:28:00

“Tighten things up reputations hang on it”

That’s what you said, isn’t it Wyllow?

AGAA4 Wed 12-Nov-25 13:51:20

Sadly I think there are people who would love to see the BBC go down and all the staff with it.
Scares me to think what we would be left with. Nothing good.
As the saying goes "you don't know what you've got till it's gone".

foxie48 Wed 12-Nov-25 13:55:08

"It wasn’t mistakes it was deliberate in all areas of where they got things done.Not just Trump and the two speeches but deliberate bias." Oreo

Yes, it was a deliberate act which was done by the independent company that had been commissioned by the BBC. I have no doubt that the BBC commissioning editor would have taken it at face value, like most of the people who watched the programme, after all, Trump did say everything in the film but in a different time frame. The BBC is in serious trouble because it failed to act appropriately after the film had been shown and the editing came to light. It's not that BBC employees deliberately edited the film to make it biased, because they didn't. It's the same issue with the Gaza film, it was not BBC employees who used the son of a Hamas official to make the film it was an independent company that had been commissioned and again, when the issue came to light the BBC did not act quickly or appropriately. That's why the DG and head of news have resigned, it's been because of their failure to act appropriately and decisively not that they have deliberately sanctioned biased or inaccurate reporting.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 12-Nov-25 14:02:54

A reputation, once lost, is hard to recover.
Ask Gerald Ratner.

Primrose53 Wed 12-Nov-25 14:08:47

Lathyrus3

Ooops. I accidentally cut two tapes and spliced them together.

Quite unintentional.

My mistake.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just like Rayner’’s “mistake” and Reeves “mistake”. 🤣🤣🤣

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-Nov-25 14:08:53

Personally I think anyone who attracts Trumps anger goes up in my estimation and I suspect the same is true of the BBC. It hasn’t lost its reputation - that is wishful thinking on the part of The Excuse for a newspaper Telegraph and rival media groups.

Most thinking people will accept that given the level of output there will be errors, bound to happen.

cc Wed 12-Nov-25 14:11:56

Yes, I think they should be defunded, they're not providing the service I want.
From my point of view I don't listen to their television news services any longer, preferring the alternatives, and I don't think much of many of their televison programmes.
I do listen Radio 4 Extra at night, but all these broadcasts are repeats, are on three times a day and often repeated at weekends. Radio 4 is a mere shadow of what it used to be.

Allira Wed 12-Nov-25 14:42:23

Yes, it was a deliberate act which was done by the independent company that had been commissioned by the BBC.
. It's not that BBC employees deliberately edited the film to make it biased, because they didn't.

No, foxie48, apparently it was not the company, as I posted, possibly on another thread.

Allegedly It was the BBC which edited the film which had been shot by an outside company.

They (ie October Films) were unaware that the edit had been discussed at length twice by the BBC’s Editorial, Guidance and Standards Committee (EGSC), once in January 2025 and once in May, and were not informed by the BBC that the story had leaked to the press.

Furthermore, we are told that the October executive producer who worked on the show, Neil Breakwell, or the editor, was never even aware that the footage had been spliced together in such a way that it was made to appear Trump was inciting his followers to “fight like hell.”

That decision was made by the BBC’s in-house producer-director, we are told, who had made the edit prior to the documentary being shown to EPs Breakwell and the BBC’s Leo Telling. When they were first shown the footage before the show premiered in October 2024, we understand Breakwell and Telling were not informed of the changes that had been made.

The news will lead to questions over the BBC’s relationship and transparency with production companies

Deadline 12/11/25

I have edited that report. You can read the full version here:
deadline.com/2025/11/bbc-donald-trump-saga-october-films-kept-in-dark-1236613974/

Allira Wed 12-Nov-25 14:44:41

Whitewavemark2

Personally I think anyone who attracts Trumps anger goes up in my estimation and I suspect the same is true of the BBC. It hasn’t lost its reputation - that is wishful thinking on the part of The Excuse for a newspaper Telegraph and rival media groups.

Most thinking people will accept that given the level of output there will be errors, bound to happen.

Well, fair enough, but lying by editing is not the right way to go about it.

We need the truth, not brainwashing by our public broadcaster.

Allira Wed 12-Nov-25 14:48:40

Whitewavemark2

Personally I think anyone who attracts Trumps anger goes up in my estimation and I suspect the same is true of the BBC. It hasn’t lost its reputation - that is wishful thinking on the part of The Excuse for a newspaper Telegraph and rival media groups.

Most thinking people will accept that given the level of output there will be errors, bound to happen.

Not was it an error, it was deliberate.

This has nothing to do with whether or not we think Trump is the right person for the job of POTUS.
Personally, I'm sick of seeing him pontificating but that's irrelevant.

We should be able uphold the BBC to higher standards than this and believe in what they are broadcasting.
They've lost the trust of the public.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 12-Nov-25 15:08:51

Crikey.
A resounding ‘yes’ from me! I’ve just done an interactive tick box ‘how much of the BBC do you watch/listen on radio to?”

The only box I ticked was BBC iPlayer!

We listen to Classic FM which is Global Player.

This was my result:

“Value for money based on your consumption
Cost of a TV licence (2025)
£174.50

The actual value of what you consume
£19.36

The one BBC channel you consume has an annual budget of £278m. This is 11.1% of BBC’s 2024 spending.”

😮

That’d be cheaper by miles than my Netflix subscription!