pub bans children after 7pm

25Avalon

I remember children not being allowed in pubs until they were 14 and accompanied by parents. A few times Dad would nip into the pub for a drink and bring me out a glass of lemonade and a packet of crisps leaving me sat in the car whilst he chatted with his mates. It was usually only for a short time.

Yes, I often accompanied my dad and he would bring me out crisps and lemonade to the car.

I don't see a problem with children in food serving pubs until early evening for a meal with family as long as they behave.

Not sure why children would be in pubs that don't serve food?

Bukkie

ViceVersa- As you say assistance dogs are well trained and behave well. They don't react to other dogs. They are not on the furniture where I want to sit or being fed food.

So does mine. We only ever take him into places (which we have checked beforehand are dog friendly) when we are away in our motorhome - most sites state you cannot leave your dog unattended. He lies under the table quietly and you'd never know he was there - no different to any assistance dog. I do appreciate that some people don't like dogs in restaurants and pubs, but please don't tar all dog owners with the same brush.

ViceVersa- As you say assistance dogs are well trained and behave well. They don't react to other dogs. They are not on the furniture where I want to sit or being fed food.

Our daughter is like you GG. She is extremely allergic to dogs, although she does like dogs. I've seen her in some terrible states when she's been in the company of a dog. Her in-laws had one at one point and it was very difficult for DD. She was accused of never wanting to visit them although she explained why.

GrannyGravy13, I very rarely agree with you, particularly on political topics, but I agree with you totally on the continental attitude to including children in social activities, such as eating out (there is a time and a place for just adults too, of course) and about not having dogs in at least some pubs. Our children when small were part of our lives, and learned how to behave in public places from an early age.

We look for a Wetherspoons now as the beer is good and there are no dogs, apart from guide dogs - always properly trained to cope with all sorts of situations and places.

ViceVersa

Bukkie

I wish pubs and cafés would ban dogs. It's unhygienic. I am terrified of dogs and my life has become very restricted in recent years because of this obsession to take dogs everywhere. My friend, a dog lover and owner of two also says it's not fair on people with allergies.

But assistance dogs such as guide dogs would still have to be allowed in (by law), so how is that any more unhygienic?

Assistance dogs are well trained, sit quietly at their owners feet.

Not sat on furniture, not fed from their owners table, not treated like a human.

I am extremely allergic, I can medicate immediately and ask to be moved away from an assistance dog (I always explain)

It is far more difficult if every Tom, Dick and Harry insist on taking their pampered pooches everywhere.

Bukkie

I wish pubs and cafés would ban dogs. It's unhygienic. I am terrified of dogs and my life has become very restricted in recent years because of this obsession to take dogs everywhere. My friend, a dog lover and owner of two also says it's not fair on people with allergies.

But assistance dogs such as guide dogs would still have to be allowed in (by law), so how is that any more unhygienic?

I wish pubs and cafés would ban dogs. It's unhygienic. I am terrified of dogs and my life has become very restricted in recent years because of this obsession to take dogs everywhere. My friend, a dog lover and owner of two also says it's not fair on people with allergies.

Landords can impose their own rules, and this place sounds like a nightmare.

I would hate not to be able to take my GCs for a meal in the evening just because some people don't know how to behave...

Children in The William the Fourth are not being kept under control by their parents, that's why the pub is limiting the hours they are allowed in. Other pubs in the area have done the same but finding it hard to enforce so have restricted hours even further or resorted to a total ban.
As I understand it, it's all under 18s, of course the landlord will probably have the final say, I think it's owned by an independent brewery local to the area.

There’s a pub where I live that allows dogs but not children!

I would rather not have Dogs in pubs tbh.
Children are fine. I would have thought Pubs would want families in their pubs as they spend money, especially if its warm and friendly to families they will go often.

Most children are taken home by 8ish anyway, we always took ours out, same with Grandchildren especially in the summer. Not a problem.

25Avalon

I remember children not being allowed in pubs until they were 14 and accompanied by parents. A few times Dad would nip into the pub for a drink and bring me out a glass of lemonade and a packet of crisps leaving me sat in the car whilst he chatted with his mates. It was usually only for a short time.

I remember that! Me and my brother and sister would sit in the car with a packet of crisps and a bottle of lemonade.

Oh yes!

I don't recall children in pubs at any time being a problem. Then again I don't go in many after this time anyway.
Personally I think the same rule if brought in should equally apply to dogs.

RosieandherMaw

Let's face it, there are pubs and there are pubs!
I took my 12 year old GS to our village pub last summer for supper (scampi and chips of course) as a "Thank you" for painting my shed.
T G children are welcome in places like these.
It's always been said that children in mainland Europe behave better in restaurants etc because families regularly eat out together- including even small children.

And agree with RosieandherMaw

Summer evenings at a pub/restaurant - often they have a children's play area outside anyway!

Allira exactly 👍

RosieandherMaw we took our children to restaurants and gastro/foodie pubs from an early age (here and abroad)

Our GC have always been taken out to eat in pubs and restaurants.

They are better behaved than some adults.

GrannyGravy13

I see this from the other side of the bar my parents were both publicans, I was raised above a pub, my children were in their Grandfather’s pubs from an early age.

My mother and step-father were in mainland Europe were it is normal to see children out with parents in bars and restaurants.

There is a vast difference between a drinking, wet led pub and a food led one.

I have no problem with children in the latter (food led/gastro)

I find the British attitude to children rather old fashioned, they should be included socially, why have them and not make them part of your life?

As for the dog argument for someone like me who is severely allergic to dogs it’s socially limiting.

I agree with GrannyGravy13

It depends on the definition of pub.
Our DGC are taken out for meals in pub/restaurants, at weekends. Sometimes we don't start eating until 7pm.

If it's a common or garden drinking pub then we probably wouldn't be going there anyway.

infoman

The William the Fourth pub in Leyton, in east London has implemented the ban,good or bad idea?
Not sure if Wetherspoons has a time limit on Children after certain hours,if nothing else there are no dogs allowed in Wetherspoons.

Good! I always paid a babysitter to look after mine.
I don’t think much of you for naming the pub!

Let's face it, there are pubs and there are pubs!
I took my 12 year old GS to our village pub last summer for supper (scampi and chips of course) as a "Thank you" for painting my shed.
T G children are welcome in places like these.
It's always been said that children in mainland Europe behave better in restaurants etc because families regularly eat out together- including even small children.

big not bug

No children after 9pm in Wetherspoons. I don't want to see dogs in pubs. Despite the rule in Wetherspoons, I have twice seen people being dogs into our local one even though there's a large sign on the door. They weren't assistance dogs. One was a puppy with a bug, burly man who sat with it on his lap. The young bar staff were obviously too scared to tell him to take it out. There's always someone who has to push it.

TBH I’d rather see badly behaved children banned, than dogs. To me it’s not a proper pub without a dog or two.
I know plenty on here will disagree!

The lovely pub where I’m meeting two ex colleagues for lunch today has a delightful resident pooch. 🐶

JackyB

We of a certain age weren't allowed into pubs when we were children. Just goes to show that people back then weren't all daft.

Pretty bad parents though back then, children, even young toddlers would be left OUTSIDE the pub in which their parents were drinking with a packet of crisps. Just sat on steps outside pub. no cars, no-where to hide from the weather.
It was a step forward when pubs were permitted to have children on their premises, and started to serve non-alcoholic drinks, and food.
Primary school aged children should be at home, either getting ready for or actually in bed by 7 pm.