Ban Fireworks!

Maremia

If it was only 'twinkling noise' MOnica. If only.

Twinkling or Tinkling would be fine and enjoyable.

I remember taking the DC to see their first big fireworks display with friends and their older children and having to beat a hasty retreat with DS who was 4 at the time - he hated it!

M0nica

Maremia

In a fireworks' display, which is the more important element, the sound or the light? 🎆

Both, the twinkling noise the fireworks make as the tiny colour sparks form flowers in the sky, the deeper tinkle of fountain fireworks.

I don't think the twinkling noise is a problem, it is the big explosions that are frightening.

If it was only 'twinkling noise' MOnica. If only.

Maremia

In a fireworks' display, which is the more important element, the sound or the light? 🎆

Both, the twinkling noise the fireworks make as the tiny colour sparks form flowers in the sky, the deeper tinkle of fountain fireworks.

Have an argument! 🥊🤣

icanhandthemback

^I would like to have an argument with Monica. Just to stretch my brain😬^

I don't think we'd have ever have guessed that you'd do this, Lathyrus.

Stretch my brain?

Or have an argument with Monica?

Maremia

I take it you don't do Irony either?
Condemning emotion, while yourself expressing emotion. What would Mr Spock say?

I don’t see where Ive condemned it.

Yes pets do all those things. Essentially then they exist for human benefit and pleasure.

As do fireworks. That’s evidenced by the numbers of people worldwide who will pay and travel to see them.

Now some posters make the judgement that the benefit and pleasure of fireworks is not as great as the benefit and pleasure of pets. That is based on their personal preferences.

And that the negative consequences of uncontrolled pet ownership are of lesser significance. Which the evidence does not bear out.

Of course we all feel emotion but it is subjective. As an example a cat lover feels emotion when harm is done to their cat, but can defend the harm their cat does to birds. Whilst the bird lover will feel the opposite.

So personal emotions are no basis for decisions that affect other people.

A bit like people trying to control what others post 😬

I take it you don't do Irony either?
Condemning emotion, while yourself expressing emotion. What would Mr Spock say?

Quieter, as in silent fireworks, which do already exist, and are used in other countries. 🎆

I would like to have an argument with Monica. Just to stretch my brain😬

I don't think we'd have ever have guessed that you'd do this, Lathyrus.

Lathyrus you talk about emotion as a bad thing. Most of us respond to various situations with emotion unless we are robots.
People will feel anguish at others being hurt unnecessarily. People or animals.
Fireworks do harm and are totally unnecessary to anyone's welfare.

Pets and working animals perform a useful role. They are company for people living alone. Dogs get people out walking and meeting others. They are therapy in many cases.

Fireworks are thirty minutes of entertainment that doesn't last but can cause much harm.

When this post was started I don't think it was intended as a platform for the pet haters, the vegan warriors,those that like to argue for the sake of it,those that research the Internet to come up with just the statistics they need to prove their point or those who need their superior brainpower validated ,it was just an observation that current fireworks are too noisy. No one wants fireworks banned completely we just need them to be quieter.

Well, you see, I don’t think exercising judgement is a bad thing. It’s what prevents impulsive, poor decisions based on the feelings of the moment. And enables us to yes, judge, whether a persons viewpoint is valid and reasonable.

So Although you meant as an insult, I take it as a compliment.

Just to make judgements about others?

Maremia

According to Google, 'frustration' is also an emotion.

Oh yes I’m not immune to emotion.

I just don’t expect my emotions to rule other people’s lives……

Lathyrus3

I’m just wondering Syracuse if you will acknowledge that other people’s pets are also a significant problem for others or whether your desire to ban only exists for the things you don’t like.

I chose to applying the arguments for banning to pets because so many people quoted distress to animals as a reason for banning fireworks and I wondered if they could be reciprocal in acknowledging the distress that cats and dogs cause, since animals were clearly an emotive subject for them.

Could they consider the concept of banning others from enjoyment in the context of their own enjoyment or could they only approach the concept from their own emotive point of view.

With one or two exceptions I think I have my answer to that.

I admit I am always both puzzled and frustrated by the dominance of emotion in people’s thinking.

I would like to have an argument with Monica. Just to stretch my brain😬

I guess these kind of strange arguments are why Britain never goes forward . Fireworks are dangerous for many reasons. Especially to humans . I never called for a total ban. Did you even read my posts ? This is a discussion about the dangers of fireworks. Not a post about the dangers of cats and dogs. So yes you are derailing this post. Why don’t you and Monica create your own post for brain stretching exercises. Please don’t derail this post.

According to Google, 'frustration' is also an emotion.

I’m just wondering Syracuse if you will acknowledge that other people’s pets are also a significant problem for others or whether your desire to ban only exists for the things you don’t like.

I chose to applying the arguments for banning to pets because so many people quoted distress to animals as a reason for banning fireworks and I wondered if they could be reciprocal in acknowledging the distress that cats and dogs cause, since animals were clearly an emotive subject for them.

Could they consider the concept of banning others from enjoyment in the context of their own enjoyment or could they only approach the concept from their own emotive point of view.

With one or two exceptions I think I have my answer to that.

I admit I am always both puzzled and frustrated by the dominance of emotion in people’s thinking.

I would like to have an argument with Monica. Just to stretch my brain😬

Galaxy

We aren't derailing, we are talking about the impact restricting activities that give people pleasure has, and if one group decides to do that they shouldn't be surprised if another group tries to restrict their activities ( dogs in public places for example).

That has already happened, Galaxy. I can't take my dog onto nearly all beaches in our area particularly during certain months of the year. I accept that readily because I understand why. Similarly, if I lived in a country where cats had to be kept away from precious birds, I'd do that without complaint too.
Most of us animal loving people aren't asking for fireworks to be banned, we're asking for the noise to be reduced for the sake of people and animals.

In a fireworks' display, which is the more important element, the sound or the light? 🎆

We aren't derailing, we are talking about the impact restricting activities that give people pleasure has, and if one group decides to do that they shouldn't be surprised if another group tries to restrict their activities ( dogs in public places for example).

I also did shift work ( airlines ) shifts can be at any time. I often had to go to bed at 8 pm and wouldn’t appreciate fireworks going off then or those hours after. The worst part in England is that they can go off at any day of the week year round which is absolutely ridiculous!I don’t see the point of purposely derailing a thread with arguments that have nothing to do with fireworks and that’s exactly what some have done here. It’s not a small problem, it’s a big problem . I live near where festivals and parties go on and it gets so out of control because you are never sure when and how long they will be. It’s ridiculous!

Syracute Shift workers usually have most trouble sleeping during daytime because of everyday noises. My husband worked shifts for 30 years, and I can 100% say that I don't recall him ever being woken by fireworks in the daytime. Next door's dogs barking, construction work, lawnmowers and noisy children plenty of times but fireworks never. I don't think one person has argued against stricter controls on the type and noise levels of fireworks available, just some of us see an outright ban as over the top. If a certain argument used to support a ban on fireworks can equally be applied to a different situation, then it is perfectly legitimate that the point is made. Either detriment is a valid argument or it isn't.

M0nica

Many of those waxing lyrical about protecting animals from fireworks are probably buying and eating meat brought up in conditions that makes the sufferings of animals from fireworks insignificant in the extreme (and feeding those animaks to their pets)

Well in some countries they made sensible decisions proven on facts that not only do fireworks cause great physical harm and distress and therefor strict regulations are in force. Here you have people derailing this thread with nonsensical comments that have nothing to do with the dangers of fireworks. Don’t forget there are people who work various shifts and the unpredictability of fireworks makes it difficult to get sleep and rest.