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“Shakespeare was a black woman” - now I’ve heard it all!

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RosiesMawagain Sat 24-Jan-26 13:08:22

From today’s newspaper
William Shakespeare was a “black Jewish woman”, according to a new book
It claims that the truth of Shakespearean authorship has been hidden by centuries of “Western-centric and Eurocentric ideology”
The author contends that the real Bard was a cosmopolitan woman with a “multicultural identity
This woman is identified in the new work, titled The Real Shakespeare, as the historical figure Emilia Bassano – a poet with connections to the Tudor court
Bassano, it is claimed, used the pen-name “Shakespeare” and wrote the Shakespearean canon of plays, only for her work to be stolen by an uneducated interloper from Stratford-upon-Avon.
This interloper, whom we now know as William Shakespeare, was then revered by posterity because the idea of a “white” genius was preferred to a black female playwright, the book argues

I think I’ll give this one a miss!

SueDonim Sun 25-Jan-26 14:54:13

Maremia

Why do I worry about Shakespeare's plays fading away?
Simple.
What was the last Shakespeare play you went to see, and when was that?
Are there as many Shakespeare books in your offsprings' libraries as there are in yours?

I’m in Scotland, where Shakespeare doesn’t feature in live performances as much as in England, apart from the Scottish play. I’ve seen the live performances screened at the cinema, though.

My GD has copies of all of Shakespeare’s plays and regularly asks for them as her ‘book at bedtime’, read by her mum or dad. She’s 8yo and is busy indoctrinating her 4yo brother into the wonders of Shakespeare.

NanKate Sun 25-Jan-26 14:47:05

Maremia we visit all the local productions of Shakespeare every year locally.

My parents are both scattered in the same churchyard as Shakespeare, Holy Trinity.

I lived in S-on-A till I got married.

Literally millions of people visit the town and many go to The Royal Shakespeare Theatre. 🎭

Basgetti Sun 25-Jan-26 13:53:41

Sorry, still not seeing how that’s relates to how modern black people are trying to claim “our” culture, as Aveline states as though it’s fact.
I’m not referring to the past, I’m referring to now. It isn’t a black author claiming that Shakespeare’s work was written by a black woman, but a white one. .

David49 Sun 25-Jan-26 13:50:39

Relevance is how few black people were in England at that time and their status.

Basgetti Sun 25-Jan-26 13:44:37

Yes, I know, David49. Sorry, not sure how that’s relevant to my post?
Adeline stated that black people want to claim “our” heritage. The author in question, Irene Coslet, is white.

David49 Sun 25-Jan-26 13:38:43

Basgetti

Aveline

Why do black people want to claim our heritage and stories. There must be many many legends and stories stretching back into the countries where black people originated in the past.

You realise the author is white?

Backin the late 1500s there were very very few black people in England, maybe a few servants as a novelty but even that was not common until 100yrs later.

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 13:34:46

I wonder how well this author has researched the world of Tudor/Stuart playwrights.
If her writing is good enough, I might dip in, just to be in that world, for the duration.
But don't worry, it won't cost me £20. There are libraries and paperback editions.

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 13:30:27

So re-assuring to read your posts, that all's well that ends well in the world of Shakespeare.
Delighted that you are all doing your bit, to keep his work in vogue.
Would never have heard of this book, without this Thread.
So, thanks for that as well.

Allira Sun 25-Jan-26 13:27:42

We know where he was buried, although there are those who believe that the man lying next to Anne and Susannah in the chancel of Holy Trinity is not the playwright, but a random Stratfordian who somehow has been mistaken for a brilliant poet and playwright.
I would very much doubt that that has any credibility at all.

Shakespeare changed his will in March 1616, just before he died and it would be very strange indeed if, with his family around him, some random stranger were buried by his local
Church in his place.

David49 Sun 25-Jan-26 13:20:08

Maremia

Why do I worry about Shakespeare's plays fading away?
Simple.
What was the last Shakespeare play you went to see, and when was that?
Are there as many Shakespeare books in your offsprings' libraries as there are in yours?

Recently, Loves Labours Lost last October, a brilliant production, we pick and choose, some productions are dreadful. Looking forward to Romeo and Juliet later this year.

Rosie51 Sun 25-Jan-26 13:19:45

Maremia

Why do I worry about Shakespeare's plays fading away?
Simple.
What was the last Shakespeare play you went to see, and when was that?
Are there as many Shakespeare books in your offsprings' libraries as there are in yours?

The Globe Theatre in London is constantly sold out, and so is the Sam Wanamaker Playhouse despite the seating being the most uncomfortable even after hiring cushions. My back problems have prevented me from going for the last year or so, but every other time I've gone the presence of huge numbers of young people would suggest your fears are unfounded. Many younger people are prepared to stand in the pit or the yard for hours for the cheapest tickets, that's commitment. I have only seen Shakespeare's works at the Globe so can't comment on attendance numbers for other works.

I really don't think the presence or absence of books in people's libraries is an indication of Shakespeare's enduring legacy.

theworriedwell Sun 25-Jan-26 13:17:43

Black and Jewish charters in his books. Does it matter what sex/colour/religion the author was. Would it change how people feel about the books and if so why? I read lots of books without knowing anything about the authors. I read a book recently and assumed it was written by a woman, the authors name could have been for male or female, the book just sounded like a woman's voice to me. It was written by a man and made no difference to how I enjoyed the book. I have no idea of his colour or religion.

Basgetti Sun 25-Jan-26 13:17:40

Aveline

Why do black people want to claim our heritage and stories. There must be many many legends and stories stretching back into the countries where black people originated in the past.

You realise the author is white?

Allira Sun 25-Jan-26 13:13:40

Maremia

Has anyone read any other books by the author in the OP?

No, and no-one would ever have heard of her had she not promoted herself in a controversial blaze of publicity!

What's her name again?

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 13:06:23

Has anyone read any other books by the author in the OP?

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 12:58:28

Yes, Hamnet is a great success, but it was written by Maggie O'Farrell.
How much of Shakespeare's actual writing is included in the novel/movie?

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 12:57:09

Why do I worry about Shakespeare's plays fading away?
Simple.
What was the last Shakespeare play you went to see, and when was that?
Are there as many Shakespeare books in your offsprings' libraries as there are in yours?

Maremia Sun 25-Jan-26 12:53:12

One of the best books on Shakespeare that I read was on the flowers that he would have come across where he lived.
It lost out in a people's vote competition to 'How clean is your House'.

Basgetti Sun 25-Jan-26 12:51:52

Aveline

Why do black people want to claim our heritage and stories. There must be many many legends and stories stretching back into the countries where black people originated in the past.

We all originate from the same place.

Rosie51 Sun 25-Jan-26 12:49:14

Maremia

How many of your grandchildren study Shakespeare in school, to tthe extent that we did?
When was the last time one of your grandchildren went to the theatre to see one of his plays?
Yes, there are plenty of modern adaptations, for example the musical 'And Juliet'.
But, once our generation shuffles off our mortal coil, who will remember?

My grandchild who attends a school for children with complex, low incidence special educational needs has been exposed to Shakespeare. If children with severe learning difficulties are taught about Shakespeare then I'd suggest mainstream children will be getting at least the same.

I wonder why you think the next generation or two are going to be so very different in their appreciation of great writing?

Witzend Sun 25-Jan-26 12:34:01

Rosie51

Maremia

But they are all fascinating, and keep his work alive.

I really don't think one of the most well known and performed writers this world has known needs this kind of drivel to keep his work alive.

Well said! 👏

Lovetopaint037 Sun 25-Jan-26 12:11:04

Every time I read this type of thing I shout out “What about the first folio?”Shakespeare’s friends and fellow actors who knew and worked with him gathered his work together in order that it wouldn’t be forgotten. Without their efforts we would have lost so much. Yet time and time again this is dismissed in favour of some research which some modern day annoying article produces to gain some attention. Baa humbug.

TerriBull Sun 25-Jan-26 12:04:45

Another theory and just a theory, because it isn't corroborated, he appeared at one time to have a long period of absence. Was he in Italy? As so many of his plays were based there. Also I've read he was possibly a closet Catholic at a very dangerous time to be one. I think there's a lot of conjecture about someone whose life's works were written words but an absence of written words about what he was up to half of the time.

Doodledog Sun 25-Jan-26 11:47:08

The timing for the release of this book is 'fortuitous', what with Hamnet out now and a new Hamlet coming in February grin.

There was a book in 2010 or so that suggested that the dark lady was a brothel-keeper, 'Black Lucy' with whom Shakespeare spent nights when he was in London. Who knows? He was a young man away from home - it's possible. I think that is far more likely than that Shakespeare was a black woman, but I don't know if it is the case either. It's all interesting to read, if you are a Shakespeare fan, but no more than that, IMO.

As I often say, worrying about 'the facts' hundreds of years after events is pointless. We don't know the facts about other people's personal lives - we only know what is written, usually by others, and nobody can see inside the minds of other people, yet there are many who think they can, and that their opinions are 'facts'. Even today, we don't know what happened at the Beckham wedding - despite the existence of tiny recording devices, social media, and global interest in their brand - yet people are arguing about who is to blame, and what their motives must be. People love to take sides, whether the arguments have anything to do with them or not.

When it comes to Shakespeare, there are few facts. We know where he was born, where he went to school and where his Stratford on Avon bases were. We know he married Anne, but not where (there is no record of the wedding, although there is some evidence that the banns were not read at Holy Trinity (their parish church). This might be because Anne was pregnant at the time, but again, that is superimposing modern views on a very different time. We know where he was buried, although there are those who believe that the man lying next to Anne and Susannah in the chancel of Holy Trinity is not the playwright, but a random Stratfordian who somehow has been mistaken for a brilliant poet and playwright. We know that his signature (as written at various points in his life) is very unclear and apparently unpractised, which seems odd, given that he spent so much time writing. We know that he left the Midlands to work in London, and that he came back again when he 'retired', and that he lived with his family, when he could easily have afforded to set up home somewhere else had he separated from them.

Otherwise, not much is known for sure. He left SoA not long after his twins were baptised, and was not heard of again until about 7 years later, when the 'upstart crow' reference was made by Greene. There have been various attempts to plug that gap in his biography - he was a teacher, a poacher, a soldier, he went around the world with Francis Drake (!) and more.

The facts we have can be put together in various ways to tell various stories, which change depending on the times. It used to be thought that his marriage was forced, and that he was away so much to get away from his family, but now there is a shift to a very different view. All supposition. For reasons I don't understand, people get very hung up on defending the views they were taught, which are no more likely to be true than the ones being put forward now. History evolves - it wouldn't exist otherwise. Without evolution there would be a need for only one definitive account of the world and events, and historians wouldn't exist. Outside of dry records of births, marriages and deaths, and partisan accounts of battles and revolutions it is all a series of 'What ifs'. New information can come along, but that is rare. More often than not, though, History is reinterpreting what is already there.

I doubt I'll read the new book, but I will be interested to see whether the ideas in it take hold.

Galaxy Sun 25-Jan-26 10:50:52

Actually it is a mandatory part of the national curriculum from 11. Has been since 1989 I think.