World falling apart around you? Ex-husband arrested? Here's the answer

I would imagine the ueen was very well informed but mothers are often most indulgent with the blacksheep of the family, especially when other siblings, in this case Charles and Anne, are such role models of what they are meant to be.

David49

AMWs lifestyle was well known to his sides and officials, it may not be public but the contacts and actions of all government officials and politicians is monitored discretely. Where needed action is taken which happened to AMW in 2011 no doubt after extensive consultation.
The Queen would have wanted to know why the Envoy position was being removed, maybe she was told of the inappropriate relationships, maybe abolishing the post as an economy measure - we will never know

I would have thought the Queen, knew (as did everyone else) that AWM lost the position of trade envoy by seeing it in the media, his association with especially Epstein but also other dubious people at that time made national newspaper and TV headlines. I hope the government would have forewarned her and she didn't splutter her morning tea over the bedspread.

AMWs lifestyle was well known to his sides and officials, it may not be public but the contacts and actions of all government officials and politicians is monitored discretely. Where needed action is taken which happened to AMW in 2011 no doubt after extensive consultation.
The Queen would have wanted to know why the Envoy position was being removed, maybe she was told of the inappropriate relationships, maybe abolishing the post as an economy measure - we will never know

Well, to be honest M0nica, it seems you are the one obsessed with money.

And this thread isn't about AMW's behaviour. There are other threads dealing with that as I said in the OP.

For those living in reduced circumstancs and worrying about bills. I have every sympathy. But, generally it is not those who are struggling on low incomes who display the envy, disguised as moral outrage. It is those whose posts give reason to beleive thay can meet all their bills and have a reasonable standard of living who seem most envious.

But it is the dehumanising of people just because they are rich and powerful that is so unpleasant. The RF are human beings like us, they love their families, and their instinct is to protect the awkward and difficult one. they have also had to deal with 2 key members being critically ill on the last 18 months. Think about how we, as individuals feel when we have crises like this, they are no different .

I do not say that the RF always acted corectly, but they are human. It has also become very clear in todays news that senior government ministers were themselves complicit in the covering up of AMW's behaviour. Ambassadors had been complaining about the boorish and ignorant behaviour of AMW for years, but the government ministers involved refused to do anything about it and continued to send him out as the countries trade envoy.

The rsponsibility for AMW having the ability to behave as he did was not entirely tje responsibility of RF. His behaviour was being covered up by government departments as well as others in power.

One of the princesses is currently living in the UAE.

Someone upthread was musing on why SF was going there.

please no lectures about farm shops and lentils.

ferry23

M0nica

I meant envious of people with more money, rather than the RF itself.roles.

Resentment of anyone not living in abject poverty seems to be a trope on GN. This despite the fact that the vast majority of GN members are not on the breadline and never have been.

Seriously? How do you know how much money I might have? Or if I care much about money?

The year before last I had an accident which deprived me of much of my mobility. I'm envious of my peers who can still walk - down to the letter box, around the supermarket, or up a hill.

I'm afraid you need to find someone far more shallow than I to castigate and judge on social media M0nica.

Sorry to hear this ferry. Some of us have challenges to cope with alright. Do I feel envy? Yes ,sometimes. When I can't heat my home,go on holiday and it's pasta for dinner yet again.

I'm not sure envy is a Trope here, whatever that means.

Oh and please no lectures about farm shops and lentils.

Eloethan

I think I read that Sarah Ferguson had run up a debt of £6 million. How on earth can anyone spend that much money - and why would they want to?

They waste it on a health spa at £13,000 a day

eazybee

Sarah Ferguson may well have had many rich friends but I doubt if she will see much of them in her future.

I find it difficult to have much sympathy for a woman who when her world, based on that of her ex-husband who did his best, albeit dishonestly, to help her clear her debts, is collapsing around he , seeks refuge in a ridiculously over-priced sanitorium.

Someone is going to have pay that bill, and it won't be her.

Well said eazybee.

Whatever money she has or had, it's never going to be enough. Pure greed.

I think I read that Sarah Ferguson had run up a debt of £6 million. How on earth can anyone spend that much money - and why would they want to?

Chocolatelovinggran

I agree with you, eazybee. It would seem diplomatic for Beatrice and Eugenie to simply maintain a low profile from now on as the children of Princess Anne and Prince Edward seem to have managed to do.

Yes, indeed.
We cannot help having the parents we're born to, some of us are lucky, others, even if wealthy and privileged, draw the short straw.

They'd be best to keep a low profile now, for the sake of their children too.

Dismissing someone's problems as 'First world problems', or telling people they should not complain about something because not everyone can afford what they have.

And, as in this thread and others the dehumanising of people, just because they are wealthy or occupy positions of power.

The RF are human beings like us. They love their children and care for their family and when they find a black sheep in their midst their first instinct is to hope they grow out of it, or pretend to themselves it is not as bad as it looks and only in extremis eject them from the family.

When a family is also dealing with serious life-threatening illnesses among its members, this only makes dealing with a reprobate in the family more difficult. This applies, whether it is us, illegal immigrants or the RF.

Children cannot choose their parents and while some children can survive a dysfunctional upbringing and come through as balanced adults. More children, survive, but are damaged to a greater or lesser extent, and of course many will continue in the pattern they were brought up to.

Under the circumstances the two Princesses have turned out very well. It would be better they were not princesses, but that decision was made by their father not by them and they grew up with the titles.

I have tried to imagine what it is like in their situation, having parents they love yet, daily, seeing published in all the media their mother's utterly demeaning correspondance with a known paedophile, to know that your father has been committing, what are effectively acts of treason, while also being a sleazy sex obsessive.

I agree with you, eazybee. It would seem diplomatic for Beatrice and Eugenie to simply maintain a low profile from now on as the children of Princess Anne and Prince Edward seem to have managed to do.

Tuliptree

M0nica

I meant envious of people with more money, rather than the RF itself.roles.

Resentment of anyone not living in abject poverty seems to be a trope on GN. This despite the fact that the vast majority of GN members are not on the breadline and never have been.

Message deleted by GNHQ for breaking Talk Guidelines

As a substantial tax payer I don't mind tax revenue being used to help those that need it and it's the government to decide who gets help.What I do resent is tax revenue being spent on those that do not need help, there are many on this site that are getting state benefits that do not need them.
It's crippling the economy, too many are taking too much out of the economy, nobody wants to put more effort to improve the productivity of the country.

That's the fault with democracy, politician's give more away than we earn to get votes, every government does it, borrows more, sells off assets, at least Starmer is trying to balance the books but Im expecting him to fail and if the loony left get power it will get much worse..

Just rumours, but from a reliable source?
Not actual evidence?

It has been rumored that it was Sarah that introduced Andrew to Epstein, that her lifestyle was funded by Epstein. Because the association was long term she may well know an awful lot about Epstiens connections in the Middle East they will keep her very safe.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

M0nica

I meant envious of people with more money, rather than the RF itself.roles.

Resentment of anyone not living in abject poverty seems to be a trope on GN. This despite the fact that the vast majority of GN members are not on the breadline and never have been.

Seriously? How do you know how much money I might have? Or if I care much about money?

The year before last I had an accident which deprived me of much of my mobility. I'm envious of my peers who can still walk - down to the letter box, around the supermarket, or up a hill.

I'm afraid you need to find someone far more shallow than I to castigate and judge on social media M0nica.

The children and grandchildren of Princess Margaret, Princess Anne,the Kents and the Gloucesters have managed to live private, independent lives despite having parents and grandparents who are princes. and princesses. No reason why Beatrice and Eugenie cannot do the same, once the fuss has died down. i doubt if they will feature much in royal events.

I meant envious of people with more money, rather than the RF itself.roles.

Resentment of anyone not living in abject poverty seems to be a trope on GN. This despite the fact that the vast majority of GN members are not on the breadline and never have been.

I’m still cogitating on what accusing people of envy says. It’s such a lazy argument at best and at worst just profoundly empty and stupid. I’m not saying people can’t or don’t feel envy in some situations - atm I’m very envious of anyone sitting by a pool in warm climes drinking a cocktail - but to say a criticism of B/E reeks of envy is just well - more than a bit silly.

Lol Tuliptree, I have actually been to Gstaad! But I have no need of a Nanny thank you. Nor a husband, wealthy or otherwise. I have plenty of very nice jewellery and I've travelled extensively and visited some amazing places. I didn't, however, have an 18th birthday party at Windsor Castle with a collection of at the very least, some very dubious characters and at worse guests who were criminals and sexual predators. On reflection, I'm not envious of that either 😄

And not you either ferry - absolutely agree.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.