Four more horses die in the name of ‘sport’

Unfortunately, fox hunting still happens in the UK, despite the ban. It is disguised as 'trail hunting'.

www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/the-whip-2-2-2/

Anyone who doesn't understand the use of the racing whip, should read the above link.

First it needs the breeding of race horses to STOP that can happen immediately and not effect any race horses already here.

Whilst I concur with some of your sentiments re cruelty, it’s simplistic to say it wouldn’t affect any race horses here.
Revenue from breeding horses in stables that raise race horses helps to pay for the upkeep of horses in existence.

BlueBelle

I think it’s being a bit of a cop out to say it’s ‘puffed up words’

Let me understand you are you saying we have to carry on racing these animals because there’s nothing else can be done they can’t lead a normal life so we have to carry on …

I don’t think anyone it’s expecting an overnight ban ….all racing must stop all race horses slaughtered of course not…. it would need phasing out over a number of years, planned properly.
First it needs the breeding of race horses to STOP that can happen immediately and not effect any race horses already here.
Second it needs much tighter control over the whip and the height and difficulty of jumps etc etc while this winding down process takes place.
It would take some years to stop completely but they can start by removing and banning the Grand National and then gradually removing the more (exciting to some) dangerous races bit by bit. People would not be interested in the more mundane, none dangerous races so it would automatically die a death
Dog racing could stop over night most retired greyhounds fit in well to family life.
Fox hunting should be banned immediately not this half hearted government intervention
Bird shooting should also be banned immediately
Ok that’s my thoughts, now you can shoot them down

The use of the whip changed some time ago and so did the height of the fences.
Fox hunting was stopped also some years ago.

Lathyrus3

That’s not my argument. I’ve said from the start that I’m not in favour of breeding horses for racing.

What I’m asking for is honesty in accepting what a ban on horse racing will entail.

For posters, who think that the horses can be turned out to pasture to live simple horse lives, to accept that won’t be possible, both in terms of resources needed and in terms of what a horse needs to live a healthy life. That to do that would be another form of animal cruelty. Perhaps just to say Oh I didn’t know. I thought that was what we could do.

To acknowledge that a ban will inevitably mean death for many horses, but that they would still go forward with a ban because they believe the long term gains would be worth that. To take that responsibility.

For them not to wilfully deceive themselves because the consequences do not fit their comfortable vision of horses set free.

I’d also like to think that those who present themselves as champions of horses and are so concerned about their welfare would make a donation to an equine charity right here, right now.

Otherwise it’s just puffed up words really isn’t it?

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Iam64

Agree ViceVersa, the idea of these obese tourists expecting donkeys to carry them up steps because they’re too unfit to make the climb themselves makes me so angry

That really makes me angry 🤬🤬🤬

Agree ViceVersa, the idea of these obese tourists expecting donkeys to carry them up steps because they’re too unfit to make the climb themselves makes me so angry

foxie48

Actually a bigger problem generally is that too many horses are overfed and under worked, hence there's a huge welfare problem because horses and ponies are obese. Obesity in horses causes laminitis and equine metabolic syndrome as well as causing issues with lameness. Add to that the number of riders who are obese and far too heavy for their riders and it's easy to see the problem, often literally!

That last part is a real bugbear of mine. I would love to be able to carry on riding, but I gave it up several years ago because of my weight. I frequently see horses with riders who are far too heavy for them - especially abroad, which often makes it worse because of the heat.

Going off at a tangent here but didn’t want to start a thread about it, but has anyone been following Endo the Blind on Facebook over the years? I still well up every time I think about him and can’t believe that he’s no longer with us. I hope someone writes a book about him one day as he and his owner were so inspirational. I’ve never known such a worldwide outpouring of grief over a horse before. He was so beautiful and brave .

Not to mention the donkeys at our local open farm whose job is to carry small children
And their cousin on Blackpool beach

And when did you last see a working donkey in the UK?

I think the donkeys at Carisbrooke Castle on the Isle of Wight, demonstrating how to draw water from a well by working a treadmill, might be a bit put out by that comment. 😂😂

Even with the new Highway Code rules regarding horses on the road there are still many accidents with horses and motorists. Some horses got onto the motorway near me after escaping from their field and were killed. It must have been horrific. Nobody still knows the cause of grass sickness, even though a lot of money has been ploughed into research. A horse on our field died from it.

Actually a bigger problem generally is that too many horses are overfed and under worked, hence there's a huge welfare problem because horses and ponies are obese. Obesity in horses causes laminitis and equine metabolic syndrome as well as causing issues with lameness. Add to that the number of riders who are obese and far too heavy for their riders and it's easy to see the problem, often literally!

That is probably truer, Mollygo

MaizieD

^Horses and donkeys are trained to work until they drop---men profit from their suffering.^

Not something that could be generally applied to the UK; not even to horse racing. There might be some individual cases but over all horses are very well treated. And when did you last see a working donkey in the UK?

Nowadays, so are some people!

Horses and donkeys are trained to work until they drop---men profit from their suffering.

Not something that could be generally applied to the UK; not even to horse racing. There might be some individual cases but over all horses are very well treated. And when did you last see a working donkey in the UK?

TheWeirdoAgain60

I've been online petitioning for years, several times a year, to try to get it banned, but the scumbags won't, as they only care about themselves and the money. They don't give a hoot about all the gorgeous horses they torture and murder.

The same with I'm a Celebrity, and others similar, I've been doing the same to try to get those vile things banned too.

Good for you Weirdo! I did so too in my more active days, even a one-woman protest outside a gambling shop on Grand National day.

Horses and donkeys are trained to work until they drop---men profit from their suffering.

GrannyGravy13

Allira

So read the next two posts by Elothan after yours Allira she’s much more informed than me who is talking with my heart.

We can all Google.

Or those who have owned and been around horses all their lives (myself included) can speak from their ^life experiences^

Yes and those posre are very informative and interesting, thank you.
As well as chatting to a family member who spends much of her time around horses.

The Grand National is now just like a glorified hurdle race as it has been modified greatly in recent years. It is now won by top class graded horses and the smaller stables with slower long distance horses don’t stand a chance.

Allira

^So read the next two posts by Elothan after yours Allira she’s much more informed than me who is talking with my heart.^

We can all Google.

Or those who have owned and been around horses all their lives (myself included) can speak from their life experiences

So read the next two posts by Elothan after yours Allira she’s much more informed than me who is talking with my heart.

We can all Google.

Lowering the height of fences just makes the race faster leading to an increased number of falls and fatalities.

A reply to Bluebell

I think if you reread my posts you will see that at no time have ai said we should carry on racing because there is nothing else to be done. On the contrary several times I have said that I am not in favour of breeding racehorses and likened it ti the overbreeding that happens with show dogs. I would like you to acknowledge that you are misrepresenting me I suggesting that I have ever said racing should continue because there is nothing else to be done.

What I have continuous done is challenged posters fantasies of racehorses being freed to run around fields as a healthy, happy life for a horse. It is not. It would be neglect and cause suffering. There is enough of that going on right now by those who have bought a horse and thought it could fend for itself.

Or the fantasy of there being a mass of animal lovers who will shoulder the costs of maintaining racehorses for their life span. Equine charities cannot cope now, hence my suggestion that those who really care could make a donation. If not you who? if not now, when? as the saying goes?

What I have asked is that those in favour of a ban do face the reality of the consequences. It will be brutal. Many posters have made the point that the industry is driven by money. A phasing out may work for a couple of years but once the rewards decrease the horses will hold no further interest for their owners. They will be a liability to be discarded like any other financial liability.

I want those in favour of the ban to approach its consequences realistically, not as a storybook tale about f some kind of horse nirvana.

If it is to be done with the minimum possible suffering it must be done realistically, fully acknowledging all the difficulties and the pain.

The attitude of “I don’t like to think about that, so I’ll pretend it isn’t true”frustrates me in many walks of life.

Another excellent post foxie48