Feral kids.

However you enforce standards and discipline it has to be done, because if you allow the small things, swearing, insolence, stealing sweets, children think they can get away with the serious indiscipline.

All any of us can do is make sure our children are well behaved The government could enforce standards in school, but the won't because there are no votes in it

The film Quadrophenia illustrated damage caused by Mods and Rockers, usually seaside resorts and included damage to police vehicles.
I was aware of weed, LSD and heroin in the mid 80’s, we lived semi rurally.

Magenta8

Grandmabatty

Those kids are the product of poor parenting, social media and years of tory cuts to the very services to help avoid this. It's not new, is it? Mods and rockers fighting in the 60s, punks in the 70s.

And the Teddy Boys of the 1950s with their flick-knife fights. I would hazard a guess that quite a few GNs were part of the 'worst generation of young hooligans ever' whether they were Teds, Mods, Rockers or Punks.

I was a hippy but sadly the peace movement didn't last as it became too associated with illegal drugs.

Hippies were lovely. but they were unrealistic about human nature, and that is why the Peace Movement ultimately failed.

David49

However you enforce standards and discipline it has to be done, because if you allow the small things, swearing, insolence, stealing sweets, children think they can get away with the serious indiscipline.

All any of us can do is make sure our children are well behaved The government could enforce standards in school, but the won't because there are no votes in it

Yes I agree and it HAS to start at home, by parents, long before children even start school.

Instil basic behaviour standards, set boundaries, explain about rules and why we have them and clearly illustrate respect by giving it and expecting it.

Then once children get into school, support the staff, continue to monitor their behaviour.

If you cannot control a 6 year old, you’ve no chance of controlling a 16 year old!

Having said that, some kids get in with the wrong crowd, some great parents do have kids who get into trouble.

Btw, teachers are paid to teach! Everything else should come from home!

Of course, most decent teachers these days (and in the past) did/do so much more than just teach.

mum2three

Now we are seeing the effects of all this liberalism. There have been riots in the past, but they were quickly controlled by riot police. Was it Boris Johnson who suggested having water cannon for just this sort of situation?
In short, they are doing it because they can. We have bred a generation of savages. If they behave like wild animals, treat them accordingly. Round them up and put them in a secure enclosure. Make the parents pay to have them released.

Boris Johnson bought three water canon from The Federal German Police and had them refurbished at a cost of £320,000; they couldn’t be used as their use was illegal and they were sold for £11,000 for scrap.

Jaxjacky

The film Quadrophenia illustrated damage caused by Mods and Rockers, usually seaside resorts and included damage to police vehicles.
I was aware of weed, LSD and heroin in the mid 80’s, we lived semi rurally.

I was aware of weed earlier than that. I was a teenager from the late 60s and there was weed at the parties I went to. LSD and heroin were for rock stars.

Silvershadow

Growing up in the 60’s and 70’s there were fights amongst groups of rockers and skinheads but they were fights amongst themselves. They did not, to my knowledge, storm shops en masse, wreck them, terrorise people in them and cause mayhem. People need to study the photos to see these perpetrators. It’s obvious to most who and what the cause is. The police are terrified to touch them for being accused of racism which is always a get out clause for bad behaviour. Nothing will be done. Of course there might be an enquiry….

Why would the police be accused of racism, when many of the feral gangs are white British?

Indeed. From reports I’ve seen, mostly white kids.

Some people just can’t help themselves, can they?

Trouble on the streets, must be foreigners 🙄

Why bring race into it?

From pictures and videos the youths looked white and black.
Feral behaviour does not belong exclusively to one group.

It happened in Birmingham too, fuelled by social media.

Parents are responsible for their children, not teachers or the police, they should be held to account.

Allira

Why bring race into it?

From pictures and videos the youths looked white and black.
Feral behaviour does not belong exclusively to one group.

It happened in Birmingham too, fuelled by social media.

That's what I wondered. I couldn't understand why race had anything to do with how the police react.

There were girls too, some as young as 13!

Allira

There were girls too, some as young as 13!

There always were girls/women in gangs and they were just as aggressive as the men

Cossy

I attended Primary School in the sixties and Secondary School in the seventies, in Essex, there certainly were gangs.

Remember the Krays?

I remember in the 50s watching Teddy Boys strutting around after dark, from my bedroom window when I supposed to be asleep. They had knuckledusters, bicycle chains and knives.

And then of course there were Mids and Rockers in 1960s.

Sorry twaddle my post should have said mid 70’s, not 80’s.

David49

However you enforce standards and discipline it has to be done, because if you allow the small things, swearing, insolence, stealing sweets, children think they can get away with the serious indiscipline.

All any of us can do is make sure our children are well behaved The government could enforce standards in school, but the won't because there are no votes in it

How would the government go about enforcing standards in school?

The sheer number of youngsters behaving so badly in these huge groups is worrying. Maybe it actual water cannons but surely a good soaking would deter them. Police and passers by could film them and upload the pics! That would make a change.
The poor shop staff must be appalled at being placed in such an awful position.

Chardy

David49

However you enforce standards and discipline it has to be done, because if you allow the small things, swearing, insolence, stealing sweets, children think they can get away with the serious indiscipline.

All any of us can do is make sure our children are well behaved The government could enforce standards in school, but the won't because there are no votes in it

How would the government go about enforcing standards in school?

It would mean putting sanctions on parents to enforce good behavior and support schools, unless that is done any effort will be wasted.

I would be stunned if a Labour government does that it would loose a lot of votes

I’ve always felt that important though strong family ties are, teenagers are more influenced by their friends after a certain age. Over the years there have been mods and rockers, skinheads, all generations have their groups. Children are herd animals and will do anything to fit in. My own son went through a brief phase of spraying graffiti. We talked him and his friend through it and as far as I know it did it not happen again. He is now a wonderful dad of two and holds down a good job and is in a stable relationship.

All any of us can do is make sure our children are well behaved The government could enforce standards in school, but the won't because there are no votes in it. This.

I volunteer two afternoons a week in a junior school. It is a good school, but I am amazed at how much latitude children have when it comes to deciding what they will and won’t do. It seems to be all about negotiation and how the child is feeling at any given moment as to whether they will fulfil a task or not. I can’t imagine what these children will be like when they grow up and go to work when “I don’t want to do it today” will not be an option.
Having said all that, I’m continually heartened by the number of young people and teenagers, from all backgrounds, who I meet and would be proud to call mine. If we keep it in proportion, it’s not all going to the dogs!

GrannyGravy13

Cossy

Btw, I’m pretty sure if “gangs” of a 100 children were running amok on a regular basis it would be all over the media!

The incident in Clapham yesterday was on Breakfast News, two girls were arrested.

The video shown looked rather scary for shop owners and shoppers in the area.

I’m in Clapham, very sad to see lovely ‘village’ in London, invaded by thugs, for want of a better word, apparently police were aware it would happen, social media, but obviously not aware of just how many would turn up…. Utterly senseless!

I do think it’s quite “normal” to step way outside the boundaries and not behave well, however groups of 100 children would be ridiculously intimidating and I hope this trend is stopped in its tracks.

Cossy

I do think it’s quite “normal” to step way outside the boundaries and not behave well, however groups of 100 children would be ridiculously intimidating and I hope this trend is stopped in its tracks.

It is normal for children to push the boundaries, it's up to parents and schools to makes sure those boundaries are respected and not eroded.
The problem is not the 90% + children that do behave reasonably, it is the 10% that don't influence or intimidate the rest

David schools do put pressure on parents re. pupils' bad behaviour - phone talks, letters home, calling g parents in. And schools reward good behaviour. What sort of sanctions are you thinking of?